spindrift Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Is Pakistan a mediaeval place? Has Pakistan been at war for the last 30 years or so as well? Pakistan: Boys Trafficked for Sex, Too As daylight fades, boys aged 8 to 18 begin to gather in and around the Old City of Lahore. LAHORE, PAKISTAN -- Sexual exploitation of girls is well documented but boys are often overlooked. In Pakistan, child rights workers fear rural poverty is pushing greater numbers of boys into selling their bodies for food and shelter. Children are tafficked in the UK. That doesn't mean Christianity endorses abusing children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Those trying to pretend child abuse is exclusively carried out by muslims are plainly Islamaphobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 For those that missed it, here's the link to a nice little chart I posted earlier: Factors that account for homophobia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 For those that missed it, here's the link to a nice little chart I posted earlier: Factors that account for homophobia Blogs aren't usually considered impeccable sources... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Those trying to pretend child abuse is exclusively carried out by muslims are plainly Islamaphobes. But no-one on here is doing that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 While executions and other criminal sanctions curtail any public gay rights movement, it is impractical to give criminal sanctions to all homosexuals living in a Muslim country, and it is common knowledge (to foreigners visiting a Muslim country) that some young Muslim men will experiment with homosexual relations as an outlet to sexual desires that cannot be met in a society where the sexes are often kept segregated. These discreet and casual homosexual relations allow men to engage in premartial sex with a low risk of facing the social or legal sanctions that would occur if they involved in adultery or fornication with a woman that might result in a pregnancy. Most of these men do not consider themsleves to be gay or bisexual. http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/islam.htm So your argument would now seem to be that because Muslim majority nations don't execute/torture/imprison homosexuals who escape detection Islam is not homophobic By that idiot logic every society ever has been tolerant of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozy Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Of course not. Tesco, a supermarket chain, does not have the influence or credibility to change people's opinions on the issue of sexual orientation in the same way that a church or a mosque has. The Jamia Mosque in Derby has an important opportunity to demonstrate to the rest of the UK that Islam does not tolerate homophobia and welcomes and indeed champions sexual diversity. That's about as likely as the Pope saying it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Blogs aren't usually considered impeccable sources... How is that any less reliable that the random websites you've been cherry picking the odd paragraph or sentence from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 So your argument would now seem to be that because Muslim majority nations don't execute/torture/imprison homosexuals who escape detection Islam is not homophobic By that idiot logic every society ever has been tolerant of everything. The Uk doesn't execute gays. That doesn't mean the UK isn't homophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Then you'd be wrong: There is a widespread misapprehension - repeated yesterday in readers' comments about Peter Tatchell's article - that the Qur'an "is plain in its condemnation of homosexuality". It is not plain at all and it depends, as with the Bible, on how you interpret the relevant verses. Nor is there any sound theological reason why Muslims should condemn anyone simply for being lesbian or gay. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/may/05/whatswrongwithbeinggayand Here are two Islamic sources (the top two results I found on google, I did not have to be selective at all) that both disagree with you. http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm http://www.islamawareness.net/Homosexuality/homo.html "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81 That is pretty clear and explicit. Also, unsurprisingly I see whoever wrote that naive and ridiculously dogmatic piece from the Guardian didn't mention the Hadiths, supposedly the sayings of Mohammed which contain gems like these: "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes." "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse) Even if Mohammed didn't really say those things they still date from the early days of Islam and show that Mohammed's contemporaries certainly felt that way. All information in this post is sourced from Islamic websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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