andyofborg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 How would you impose Cameron's "national identity" scheme? Would you agree Cameron on the one hand condemning extremism and on the other hand propping up the despotic Saudi regime is duplicitous? trying to bring ethics into politics and in particular foreign policy has never worked. you can try to be mostly ethical but at the end of day some moral flexibility is needed or everything falls apart. western support for unpleasant regimes around the world was originally driven by a desire to keep the old soviet union under control. Now its driven by the fear that the replacement regime would be less than friendly to the west and there is no real guarantee that the replacement regime would be much better than what it replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newboy2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Where would we start? Take away the liberty to eat what we wish? Take away the liberty to worship how we wish? Muscular Liberalism could soon lose its liberty with that idea. thats already happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 utter nonsense. This nation needs a policy of national unity. A set of standards, that says if you live here, this is how you do it. yes and if they dont conform they are gassed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 the fact that you can type that shows that they are needed. i was asking what these standards you advocate were. please feel free to share your wisdom with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 trying to bring ethics into politics and in particular foreign policy has never worked. you can try to be mostly ethical but at the end of day some moral flexibility is needed or everything falls apart. western support for unpleasant regimes around the world was originally driven by a desire to keep the old soviet union under control. Now its driven by the fear that the replacement regime would be less than friendly to the west and there is no real guarantee that the replacement regime would be much better than what it replaced. I understand real politik. We, the taxpayer, underwrite the arms trade. It's difficult to see what benefits anyone reaped from the Al Yamamah deal, for instance. It's also difficult to see how things are better in Iraq or Afghanistan. Afghanistan in particular was a progressive country under Najibullah. American meddling overthrew him and we are living with the bloody consequences now. Cameron supported the exact policies that have led to radicalisation- US troops in Saudi was cited by the 9/11 attackers as a motivating factor, along with British and US support for the war against the Palestinians. Were I a young, moderate muslim I'd be appalled by Cameron's slander against British muslim people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 thats already happened. what's happened? when? where? was the police helicopter involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radar Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 tens of millions did not march, maybe he did not ignore them?Only just over a Million people marched on one day and that should be ignored as not all 58 Million marched, yet twelve people protesting at homecoming parade are held up by the extremists to tar 1.5 Million Muslims of Britain, what's the matter your brain can't handle the maths when it comes to the Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Were I a young, moderate muslim I'd be appalled by Cameron's slander against British muslim people. indeed, one thing i wholly agree with is the fact that all this bitching and sniping and blind hatred going on daily against muslims DOESNT help in the slightest, it alienates people, slowly eats away at them, causing distrust and leading to a deep seated hatred which can only manifest itself in people turning to the "dark side" a self fullfilling prophecy. imagine being slapped by the same person across the face once maybe twice a day for 5 years. i think youd get quite angry about it and in the end crack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Only just over a Million people marched on one day and that should be ignored as not all 58 Million marched, yet twelve people protesting at homecoming parade are held up by the extremists to tar 1.5 Million Muslims of Britain, what's the matter your brain can't handle the maths when it comes to the Muslims? Exactly. I've never met an extremist muslim, the amount of attention these random nutjobs get is completely disproportionate. There are 1000s upon 1000s of British people living in Spain and Italy - all immigrants. Virtually none of them even speak the native languages ... should they be forced to integrate and take language classes? This discussion is a wind-up at best. An insult at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radar Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 indeed, one thing i wholly agree with is the fact that all this bitching and sniping and blind hatred going on daily against muslims DOESNT help in the slightest, it alienates people, slowly eats away at them, causing distrust and leading to a deep seated hatred which can only manifest itself in people turning to the "dark side" a self fullfilling prophecy. imagine being slapped by the same person across the face once maybe twice a day for 5 years. i think youd get quite angry about it and in the end crack If I were a young Muslim I'd looking to acquire an AK47 just to take along with me some of the scumbags when they come for me, self fulfilling prophecy indeed. It's not the Muslims that are against integration it's the hate filled bigots like some posters on here that are the stumbling blocks with their pronouncements of doom against people they don't even know. Point to which Muslim group is advocating such hate against any other people in this society? Reading these pages it's easy to imagine how some Muslims would develop a siege mentality and turn to extremism as a counterbalance away from the people who openly hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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