Rowan22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I have no reason to believe that freedom of the press has been compromised. If you believe it has, care to submit some hard evidence of this? Evidence that specific stories were censored or restricted from release to the media would be a good start to convince me otherwise. As I say the "Patriot act" in the U.S has done exactly that. As has the anti terror legislation of 2001, making (anything) that is deemed too "sensitive" under the legislation be censored in the interests of "National security" the eternal cry of the dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 As I say the "Patriot act" in the U.S has done exactly that. As has the anti terror legislation of 2001, making (anything) that is deemed too "sensitive" under the legislation be censored in the interests of "National security" the eternal cry of the dictator. So go ahead tell me what's being specifically restricted. You must have some substantive proof for your claim surely If you're talking about operations carried out by such agencies as the CIA, MI6, FBI, French Dieuxieme Bureau then secrecy has always been a part of their activities and for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 So go ahead tell me what's being specifically restricted. You must have some substantive proof for your claim surely If you're talking about operations carried out by such agencies as the CIA, MI6, FBI, French Dieuxieme Bureau then secrecy has always been a part of their activities "It was not by making yourself heard but by staying sane that you carried on the human heritage. ... [Doublethink is] to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it. ... [Continuous] war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly trained specialists. ... The fighting ... takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at. ..." -- George Orwell, "1984" By Tim Shipman in Washington 12:01AM BST 27 May 2007 President George W Bush has given the CIA approval to launch covert "black" operations to achieve regime change in Iran, intelligence sources have revealed. Mr Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilise, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs. Under the plan, pressure will be brought to bear on the Iranian economy by manipulating the country's currency and international financial transactions. Details have also emerged of a covert scheme to sabotage the Iranian nuclear programme, which United Nations nuclear watchdogs said last week could lead to a bomb within three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The fact that the prosecutors in the court cite documents that claim that Gulen has been financed in part by the CIA is remarkable for a number of reasons, even though there have been strong suspicions about the CIA’s involvement in the Gulen Movement for years. The Russian intelligence agency, the FSB, has repeatedly taken action against the Gulen movement for acting as a front organization for the CIA. In December 2002, Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reported: “Russian secret service claims: Turkish religious brotherhood works for CIA The FSB, the Russian intelligence organization formerly called the KGB, has claimed that the ‘Nurcus’ religious brotherhood in Turkey has engaged in espionage on behalf of the CIA through the companies and foundations it has founded. FSB head Nikolay Patrushev has mentioned the names of these companies and foundations, saying, ‘The brotherhood engages in anti-Russian activities via two companies, Serhad and Eflak, as well as foundations such as Toros, Tolerans and Ufuk.’ Patrushev has accused the brotherhood of conducting pan-Turkish propaganda, of trying to convert Russian youths to Islam by sowing the seeds of enmity, and of engaging in certain lobbying activities. These companies and foundations have turned up in the internet site of Fethullah Gulen [alleged leader of the Nurcu religious community currently living in the United States who is a defendant in severa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I could go on, but the instances of state sponsoured terrorism are so widespread and well known as to make the point seem a bit mute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Was he a character on Sesame street? Close. He was the CIA agent (and grandson of the President) who 'masterminded' two coups d'etat against the legitimate government of Iran in '53, finally installing the Shah as absolute ruler and kicking off a quarter century of brutal repression of the Iranian people. So yes, he was a muppet, but not on Sesame Street. He was just off George Washington Memorial Parkway, an altogether less salubrious address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 "It was not by making yourself heard but by staying sane that you carried on the human heritage. ... [Doublethink is] to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it. ... [Continuous] war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly trained specialists. ... The fighting ... takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at. ..." -- George Orwell, "1984" By Tim Shipman in Washington 12:01AM BST 27 May 2007 President George W Bush has given the CIA approval to launch covert "black" operations to achieve regime change in Iran, intelligence sources have revealed. Mr Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilise, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs. Under the plan, pressure will be brought to bear on the Iranian economy by manipulating the country's currency and international financial transactions. Details have also emerged of a covert scheme to sabotage the Iranian nuclear programme, which United Nations nuclear watchdogs said last week could lead to a bomb within three years. Nothing wrong witjh any of those operations unless you dont think that Iran under it's present leadership is a destabalizing influence in the middle east and could become a real threat once it acquires nuclear weapons. Many other countries in the world also see Iran in the same light. There's really nothing new in all this. The west and the Soviets played the same game against each other for fifty years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Close. He was the CIA agent (and grandson of the President) who masterminded the coup d'etat against the legitimate government of Iran in '53, installing the Shah as absolute ruler, and instigating quarter century of brutal repression of the Iranian people. So yes, he was a muppet, but not on Sesame Street. He was just off George Washington Memorial Parkway, an altogether less salubrious address. I'll bet there are millions of Iranians who wish the Shah was back though. Look what they got after they kicked him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'll bet there are millions of Iranians who wish the Shah was back though. Look what they got after they kicked him out Only those who never lived with under the SAVAK, I'd wager. In the Brutal Repression stakes there's not much to choose from. Everyone would have definitely preferred to live under the democratically elected popular president, the one openly deposed by the USA. Of course, if they'd never had the Shah in the first place, they wouldn't have needed a popular revolution and might well have continued up to this day with their democracy intact. Sadly, it was not left to the Iranians to decide for themselves, and we have the mess you see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Dunno, what if they were, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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