llamatron Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 You do have the tail wagging the dog because it is perfectly within the rights of a Government to intervene in such situations. The fact the current and previous one did not for ideological reasons, does not detract from the democratic principles I am talking about. We can elect them to do anything, the only limitations are fundamental rights. Fundamental rights which don't include any business right to neglect the commitments it makes to its workforce or to anyone else. intervene and do what exactly? Are you suggesting the government should be able to force a company to stay in the country? That is completely mental and a very worrying idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Could you point us to an example of a union membership being individually balloted on members money being donated to a political party? Every member of Unite is given a rule book and everyone who is interested in applying is shown how to access the rule book. In there, rule 23, is everything you'd need to know about the Unite political fund and how to opt out if required. When recruiting, it is emphasised to all reps that they ensure that they tell potential members that Unite supports the Labour Party. With each application form there is another form available based on rule 23.5 which people can fill in at the same time as they complete the application form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 intervene and do what exactly? Are you suggesting the government should be able to force a company to stay in the country? That is completely mental and a very worrying idea! Many of the UKs financial institutions have already moved abroad and others are in the process of following. I see that Tata are in the process of moving Jaguar and Land Rover production out of the UK, and, as you say there is absolutely nothing a government can do to stop them. The company will simply set up duplicate production lines overseas and run down production in the UK as it sees fit, just as happened with Ford and Vauxhall when they moved their production lines abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Every member of Unite is given a rule book and everyone who is interested in applying is shown how to access the rule book. In there, rule 23, is everything you'd need to know about the Unite political fund and how to opt out if required. When recruiting, it is emphasised to all reps that they ensure that they tell potential members that Unite supports the Labour Party. With each application form there is another form available based on rule 23.5 which people can fill in at the same time as they complete the application form. Have they ever had a vote to see if members would like some of that money donated to other parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Have they ever had a vote to see if members would like some of that money donated to other parties? Every AGM members have the right to request that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Have they ever had a vote to see if members would like some of that money donated to other parties? Every member is entitled to raise at branch anything they would like conference to consider. If the branch agrees to submit a change to the rule book then this can sent to conference or, if sufficient members support it, a special AGM can be convened where the rule can be changed to either withdraw support from The Labour Party or support an alternative party. I'm not sure shareholders of companies which support a political party have the same rights but I'm willing to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 What it's called is living beyond your means and running up a £1.2 trillion debt that we cannot afford to pay off. Labour was spending £175 billion more a year on public services than the country was paying in taxes. So it is all very well having good services. Everyone wants them, pretty much like everyone would like a new car, a nice house and 3 overseas holidays per year. But if you can't afford them the trouble starts when the bills need paying. Here's a simple question for you. The government currently has a £1.2 trillion debt. What do you think that debt is budgeted to become after 5 years of coalition cuts? Which is better than starving the economy isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 intervene and do what exactly? Are you suggesting the government should be able to force a company to stay in the country? That is completely mental and a very worrying idea! The Government's role is to protect the interests of the people that vote for it. Nurture jobs and profitable businesses, a decent standard of living for all. I would expect the Government to get involved in any outsourcing deals and try to negotiate in favour of the work staying in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Which is better than starving the economy isn't it? Of course not! At some point you have to face reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Every member of Unite is given a rule book and everyone who is interested in applying is shown how to access the rule book. In there, rule 23, is everything you'd need to know about the Unite political fund and how to opt out if required. When recruiting, it is emphasised to all reps that they ensure that they tell potential members that Unite supports the Labour Party. With each application form there is another form available based on rule 23.5 which people can fill in at the same time as they complete the application form. That's helpful but I asked to be pointed to an example of a union membership being individually balloted on members money being donated to a political party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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