OOmpa Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Jehovahs witnesses tend to prey on vulnerable people and give them help at a time when they need it in return for them becoming a witness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vResistance Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 1. Grahame said that rape is adultery 2. Quisequose asked if rape cannot happen within marriage 3. Grahame basically said we should love each other and not cause harm. In no way does Grahame's reply answer Quisequose's question, only a fool would think so. How can rape occur if you follow #3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 How can rape occur if you follow #3 ? In response to rape being classed as adultery, which it isn't if you rape your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vResistance Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 In response to rape being classed as adultery, which it isn't if you rape your wife. Ok. I imagine raping your wife would not be considered adultery but it would still be rape and a sinful act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Ok. I imagine raping your wife would not be considered adultery but it would still be rape and a sinful act. There's the problem. Grahame tried to say that rape = adultery, which is clearly false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vResistance Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 There's the problem. Grahame tried to say that rape = adultery, which is clearly false. I can not speak for Grahame but perhaps he wasn't considering wives in the equation. What does it matter ,obviously the most evil act is the rape and should be dealt with harshly by law. The act of adultery will be dealt with by God.(and no doubt his missu's's)or by Karma if you find that more acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 In response to rape being classed as adultery, which it isn't if you rape your wife. Or if you rape somebody that is not married, and you are not married as well. Thus proving that the 10C provide useless moral guidance when it comes to rape. Now slavery. Grahame tries to defend the 10C by claiming that slavery=covet. Slavery is defined as "a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work" and is condoned in the Bible, and covet is defined as "to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others". So nothing alike at all basically. As flamingjimmy correctly points out the 10C say nothing about rape or slavery. Admittedly, the 10th commandment does say that "you shall not covet your neighbour's wife or property", so one shouldn't covet your neighbour's slaves, or rape your neighbour's wife. The Bible, and the 10C, were written at a time when rape and slavery were okay, women were property, and reflect that view. It also shows that they were written by man, not a god, who should know better. He might have got a bit carried away after dictating the 1st three commandments though, about how much bigger and scarier he is than all those other gods, and forgot to mention rape and slavery. Let's face it, the 10C are a carp guide to moral living. My kids could cobble together something far more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vResistance Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Or if you rape somebody that is not married, and you are not married as well. Thus proving that the 10C provide useless moral guidance when it comes to rape. Now slavery. Grahame tries to defend the 10C by claiming that slavery=covet. Slavery is defined as "a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work" and is condoned in the Bible, and covet is defined as "to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others". So nothing alike at all basically. As flamingjimmy correctly points out the 10C say nothing about rape or slavery. Admittedly, the 10th commandment does say that "you shall not covet your neighbour's wife or property", so one shouldn't covet your neighbour's slaves, or rape your neighbour's wife. The Bible, and the 10C, were written at a time when rape and slavery were okay, women were property, and reflect that view. It also shows that they were written by man, not a god, who should know better. He might have got a bit carried away after dictating the 1st three commandments though, about how much bigger and scarier he is than all those other gods, and forgot to mention rape and slavery. Let's face it, the 10C are a carp guide to moral living. My kids could cobble together something far more useful. The rules seem simple enough yes. Not so easy to stick to though are they ? Obviously if you stick to the rules there is no need to be so specific. It's like saying "way it dunt say 'thy shall not glass some bloke down the pub',so is that oreet ?". Just like it doesn't say "thy shall go to church every sunday ,sing silly songs,and give respect to men in silly clothes that take your money from you when they have millions(while many are starving),confess your sins to some paedophile in a daft hat...etc,etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Obviously if you stick to the rules there is no need to be so specific. No, this is the whole point. One can stick to the rules of the 10C and still be an evil immoral person. It doesn't matter how difficult they are to adhere to, the 10C are rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 No, this is the whole point. One can stick to the rules of the 10C and still be an evil immoral person. It doesn't matter how difficult they are to adhere to, the 10C are rubbish. Does that mean you are not going to live by them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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