harvey19 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Several pages ago I posted a possible argument for challenging the present stand on the continuing record of homosexual crimes being kept. Strangely this point, most relevant to the title of his thread seems to have been ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Several pages ago I posted a possible argument for challenging the present stand on the continuing record of homosexual crimes being kept. Strangely this point, most relevant to the title of his thread seems to have been ignored. Sorry if you feel that way, I think the cops diverting precious resources to stopping gay men dancing is linked to absurd legislation that tries to enforce bedroom behaviour. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-alvear/anatomy-of-a-southern-sex_b_287900.html What a complete and utter waste of time and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Targeting people based on their actual or perceived sexual orientation is a violation of state law. Have you seen Milk? It's been going on for years. In this day and age something any undercover operations have to have a justification other than tamping down sexual activity. When they are simply designed to attract gay men, and if they are using young handsome police officers as bait, it does raise questions. http://www.edgesanfrancisco.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc3=&id=109678&pf=1 I haven't seen Milk but I presume that most police operations against any prostitutes are initiated by complaints from members of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordonb Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 How do you work that out? Pornography has existed for hundreds of years. As Hots on says Pornography has always been available but not to the majority who probably wouldn't have known where to start. Remember the magazines (pages of photos) that used to be passed around workplaces. You were either on the list or not, you certainly couldn't go to your local bookshop and buy it. Similarly books including sex were banned (Lady Chaterleys Lover etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamrocker Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Sorry if you feel that way, I think the cops diverting precious resources to stopping gay men dancing is linked to absurd legislation that tries to enforce bedroom behaviour. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-alvear/anatomy-of-a-southern-sex_b_287900.html What a complete and utter waste of time and effort. I thought the OP was about British law somehow you seem to have moved it across the pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Seen as this thread seems to be moving into blaming the police it should be noted that most police forces now include openly homosexual members and run diversity courses and instigate disciplinary proceedures for anyone acting in an homophobic way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 if there wasnt such a stigma in society about homosexuality wouldnt gays meet in similer situations to hetrosexuals and not have to crawl about the outskirts of society such as public toilets and heathland? So gays meet up in public toilets and heathland just to socialise and chat like heterosexuals do in cafes and bars etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 My point was that the law was right, for the time. That is what society wanted. Any one person can believe anything to be right or wrong, but it is irrelevant. These matters are not intrinsically right or wrong (except to individuals), they are what the society of the time decides they are. Sixty years ago homosexual acts were wrong, now they are not. But they were still wrong until the law changed. I'm not saying that absolute morals exist, but I am saying that our current morals with regards to homosexuality are superior to the old ones, by measure of our collective subjective opinions, that's why things've changed. Homosexual acts between consenting adults were never wrong, they may have used to be illegal but they were never morally wrong. The law was morally wrong, it was then and it would be now if it was reintroduced, time doesn't change what is good or bad, only societies perceptions change. Homosexual acts may have been perceived to be wrong by the majority of society in the past but that doesn't mean they were. Homosexual sex is illegal in Gambia, punishable by up to 14 years in prison, does this mean that in Gambia homosexual acts are immoral? That by hopping over a border suddenly morality changes? Not in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 So gays meet up in public toilets and heathland just to socialise and chat like heterosexuals do in cafes and bars etc? no idea, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'm not saying that absolute morals exist, but I am saying that our current morals with regards to homosexuality are superior to the old ones, by measure of our collective subjective opinions, that's why things've changed. Homosexual acts between consenting adults were never wrong, they may have used to be illegal but they were never morally wrong. The law was morally wrong, it was then and it would be now if it was reintroduced, time doesn't change what is good or bad, only societies perceptions change. Homosexual acts may have been perceived to be wrong by the majority of society in the past but that doesn't mean they were. Homosexual sex is illegal in Gambia, punishable by up to 14 years in prison, does this mean that in Gambia homosexual acts are immoral? That by hopping over a border suddenly morality changes? Not in my opinion. I am not trying to start a pro, anti religious argument as I appreciate your views on religion but maybe religious beliefs were stronger years ago and this influenced legislation. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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