callippo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 you're making the mistake of underestimating Nixon, possibly because you were in your 20s at that time. A lot of Americans were fed up already with the expiriment. He did turn out to win two electioms very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPat Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 waste of time egypt is now an istan. within 5 years they will attack israel and then we are all at war. They may or may not attack Israel, most unlikely if the US stops paying for their Armed Forces (current situation) while providing never ending military aid to Israel combined with unconditional support and the sacrifice of US/UK troops.The only reason we would be involved in an Egypt/Israeli war is due to the fact that US and UK governments bow to very powerful pro Israel lobbies and would drag us in contrary to our interests. you really are clueless aren't you. The Suez canal remains the overiding security concern in the region, just has it has been for the past 150 years. It's not Israel that's the big worry. It's the fleeting, luckily very remote long-shot possibility that the Islamists just might manage to get control of the Canal zone when the Nazis and the Communists failed. If the Egyptians really are dumb enough to take on Israel again in the future, Israel will easily win a conventional as opposed to a more difficult to win assymetrical war. They'd just take Sinai again as a buffer like they did before. The Egyptian army knows all this that's why they made peace with Israel in the first place. They won't go through it all again. You aren't clueless but disingenuous. In reply to a previous post I did say that a war with Israel would be most unlikely you chose to ignore that to prosecute your pro zionist diversion. The 1973 oil crisis was caused by the US decision to re-supply the Israelis during the Yom Kippur war between Israel and the Arabs principally Egypt and Syria. The US saw the need to treat Egypt as a client State that it could control, The degree of future US control and influence in the near future is uncertain. Given that the West in general and the US in particular has legitimate National interests in the level and security of oil supply (price and availability) while slavishly bowing to pro Israeli lobbies much to the chagrin of our regional suppliers, the Egyptians may one day seek to influence US policy re the unconditional support of the Israeli rogue State by taking control or hindering access to the Suez Canal which just as in 1973 will cause oil prices to rocket. You used the 'Suez Canal' which you then go on to say is unlikely to be an issue anyway to hide the fact that the fundamental concern is that Egypt unshackled makes US/Western reliance on oil while simultaneously supporting Israel potentially more problematic. Perhaps you would like to clarify whether you want your mea culpa to apply to your disingenuity or your cluelessness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordChaverly Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 what this revolution needs is a good assassination. It doesn't matter who it is. The important thing is that it's perfectly timed. in Middle East context, assassination is always a consideration and possible deterrent for somebody that wants their 28 minutes of fame up on the top-job podium on the army's behalf. They go in for it in the Middle East, assassinating political leaders - often in public, where they can see them. Well, supporters of Israel should know all about political assassination, since state-sponsored murder for political reasons (assassination by any other name) has been a policy tool of Israeli governments for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Well, supporters of Israel should know all about political assassination, since state-sponsored murder for political reasons (assassination by any other name) has been a policy tool of Israeli governments for decades. Or for any other government for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 . . . . which goes some way to explaining why no Israeli has been killed in a suicide bomb in Israel for over three years. I know you like to see pictures of blown up buses all over the television news as long as the victims are Jewish civilians, and disappointed when they turn out to be conveying Hamas commanders and bombmakers, but I'm afraid you can't expect to have it all your own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordChaverly Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 . . . . which goes some way to explaining why no Israeli has been killed in a suicide bomb in Israel for over three years. I know you like to see pictures of blown up buses all over the television news as long as the victims are Jewish civilians, and disappointed when they turn out to be conveying Hamas commanders and bombmakers, but I'm afraid you can't expect to have it all your own way. Do I really? Where have I ever said that? Your posts on the Israel/Palestine question are becoming increasingly bizarre, suggesting that your emotional attachment to Israel has clouded any capacity you may have had for rational discussion of this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncocker Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Egyptian army general are American agents the same as Mubarak and Suleman are which is why policy towads Israel will not change. So it's not really a revolution until those genrals are removed by lower ranking army officers. I can see the democratic peace process starting already:suspect: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newboy2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 wish id bought shares in an egyptistan burka factory id clean up. :hihi::hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 You aren't clueless but disingenuous. In reply to a previous post I did say that a war with Israel would be most unlikely you chose to ignore that to prosecute your pro zionist diversion. The 1973 oil crisis was caused by the US decision to re-supply the Israelis during the Yom Kippur war between Israel and the Arabs principally Egypt and Syria. The US saw the need to treat Egypt as a client State that it could control, The degree of future US control and influence in the near future is uncertain. Given that the West in general and the US in particular has legitimate National interests in the level and security of oil supply (price and availability) while slavishly bowing to pro Israeli lobbies much to the chagrin of our regional suppliers, the Egyptians may one day seek to influence US policy re the unconditional support of the Israeli rogue State by taking control or hindering access to the Suez Canal which just as in 1973 will cause oil prices to rocket. You used the 'Suez Canal' which you then go on to say is unlikely to be an issue anyway to hide the fact that the fundamental concern is that Egypt unshackled makes US/Western reliance on oil while simultaneously supporting Israel potentially more problematic.Perhaps you would like to clarify whether you want your mea culpa to apply to your disingenuity or your cluelessness? Wrong! The US does not rely on middle east oil. It's there in the role of trying to maintain a balance of power and peace in the region. If oil supplies were to be cut off to Europe because of a war and the European economy went down the toilet then the US economy would also be in trouble. They are intertwined just as they are with the rest of the world's economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 mess with the Suez Canal at your peril. It's not like 67 or 73. A lot of seriously rich Indian and Chinese guys will get exceptionally mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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