Halibut Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I agree that the guy must be gutted and that his employee had no right to steal money from him. HOWEVER I can understand why the courts took the stand they did - to ignore Mr Cremer's actions would have made a mockery of several constitutional rules, such as "innocent until proven guilty" and "right to a fair trial". The court also had to reinforce the belief that there is no place in a civilised society for vigilanteism otherwise the floodgates would have been opened for everyone to take the law into their own hands and dish out their own punishments wherever and however they see fit. I will now climb into my fireproof suit and prepare for the fireworks Very well said Mel's Mum - I agree with every word you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 But he wasn't a police officer! Almost irrelevant, although the police are exempt from some legislation that would make an arrest illegal by anyone else. It wasn't a civil dispute, it was an attempted theft. The none payment of wages would be a civil dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manofstrad Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Almost irrelevant, although the police are exempt from some legislation that would make an arrest illegal by anyone else. It wasn't a civil dispute, it was an attempted theft. The none payment of wages would be a civil dispute. Irrelevant, He was labelled a thief and marched up the street before trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Marching somewhere isn't the key issue, it was the label that's proven to be the problem IMO. Theft is an offence which would allow a citizens arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newboy2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-12473446 Personally I'd refuse to pay it Same here, the law in this case made it's self an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vResistance Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The laws in this country are indeed a joke (though not a very funny one) but this is a poor example. I can't see much wrong here. Now, 130+ days in jail without trial,refused bail and TWICE not taken to a bail hearing when ordered to do so by a judge when all you did was post a DVD to a court with your opinion of the truth. This place is screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not heard from the original story, but where was he captured - was he found actually writing the cheque, or did the boss go and find him afterwards? If he went and found him to do it, then it was not a lawful citizens arrest as it would have been practicable for him to ring the police to make the arrest. IIRC he caught up with him in the cheque cashing place. I don't know how strictly the bit about the constable is required to be though. If there's one just around the corner, you should probably fetch them, but having to phone them... It's not like they can teleport there is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If it was an employee, it's not as though he'll be difficult to find. He's not a random stranger who's run off down the street with your wallet. The court dealt quite correctly with the employer. The employer could have called the proper authorities to deal with it in a civilized manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 got to agree perplexed got what he deserved arogant bully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel's Mum Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Very well said Mel's Mum - I agree with every word you said. Thank you How about a citizens arrest? I remember a teacher of mine telling a story of finding a burglar in their house one day. They captured him and the only way they could prevent him from escaping was to sit on him until the police arrived. I see these two situations being very similar. not really - burglars caught in the act are notorious for running off and disappearing whereas errant employees have a known address where the police can catch up with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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