shortcrust Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm trying to find a full list of results by constituency from 2010, so that we could point out exactly how many seats had a majority of 50% or more and would, indeed, "not be affected in any way." Sadly I can't find one unless I trawl through all 649 seats one by one and tally the results, and I don't really care as much as all that. According to the data on this site: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/pnorris/Data/Data.htm Excluding Northern Ireland and the Speaker's seat, 213 out of 631 seats were won with over 50% of votes cast. That's just over a third. esme - I would rather continue the campaign for a fully proportional voting system, with those in favour of such a system emphatically rejecting the AV proposal. The momentum is with PR. The spectre of chaos caused by hung parliaments has been laid to rest, even if many don't like what happened instead, and public awareness of the inherent unfairness of FPTP has never been higher. It may take another generation to make progress, but I believe that a fully proportional system in 30 years would be preferable to AV in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The only people who want AV are those that stand to gain the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esme Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 shortcrust I agree, I want PR and while I certainly don't want AV I want FPTP even less but there is no way they will give us that choice in the upcoming referendum my fear is that if the people reject the AV option we are being offered then the MP's will use this as an excuse to deny us change ever again there's a hard core of MP's that really don't want the system changed at all, they tried to deny us a referendum in the first place and failed, but they managed to get PR removed from the list of options in the process and yes I was writing letters to MP's begging for PR to be included along with lots of other people at the time, me and my MP have a long history of correspondence, some of which is on the forum in my opinion, which I admit could be wrong, if we don't say yes to this change they are going to move heaven and earth to make sure we never get another chance so yes I can understand your fear that AV is a waste, and I even sympathise with that but it's my belief that saying no will damage the chances of ever getting PR even within 30 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinner Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 FPTP/AV/PR are all rubbish. Best: a two-round vote, as in France. Round 1. As now- but FPTP applies only if leader has gained > 50%. Otherwise: Round 2: leader and second placed in a run-off. Advantage: simple, still allows FPTP in round 2 if not in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The vote on AV what is the point It was a small price to pay for the Tories to buy the Libs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Threads merged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinner Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The vote on AV what is the point It was a small price to pay for the Tories to buy the Libs. No. The Liberal Party (http://www.liberal.org.uk/) is not the Liberal Democratic Party (http://www.libdems.org.uk/home.aspx). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 shortcrust I agree, I want PR and while I certainly don't want AV I want FPTP even less but there is no way they will give us that choice in the upcoming referendum my fear is that if the people reject the AV option we are being offered then the MP's will use this as an excuse to deny us change ever again there's a hard core of MP's that really don't want the system changed at all, they tried to deny us a referendum in the first place and failed, but they managed to get PR removed from the list of options in the process and yes I was writing letters to MP's begging for PR to be included along with lots of other people at the time, me and my MP have a long history of correspondence, some of which is on the forum in my opinion, which I admit could be wrong, if we don't say yes to this change they are going to move heaven and earth to make sure we never get another chance so yes I can understand your fear that AV is a waste, and I even sympathise with that but it's my belief that saying no will damage the chances of ever getting PR even within 30 years This is very true. For some of us it is a chance in a lifetime to take a step forward to change the way we vote forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 No. The Liberal Party (http://www.liberal.org.uk/) is not the Liberal Democratic Party (http://www.libdems.org.uk/home.aspx). Sorry, Lib / Dems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 We should start a campaign called "Only vote once". If, and when, this system is adopted the campaign could persuade people to only vote for their favoured candidate. That way, we could have AV and FPTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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