retrogo Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 This might cause a backlash, but Nurses used to be trained in hospitals and entered the job as a vocation and were taught the basic nursing values. Today to be a Nurse you have to have a degree. A degree in what. They feel that general nursing is beneath them, bed pans and bed baths are the responsibility of the Auxiliaries because they have a degree. There is no wonder the state of our hospitals is as it is now. Florence Nightingale had no degree, but she had the skill of caring for her patients It was only in the last 5 years that the Labour government increased the bar for nurses. After a series of neglect cases Labour decided nurses must be degree qualified. Previously a student only needed to study a diploma. I think a lot of jobs recently imposed degree standard on applicants, but in a lot of cases this is unnesssary. Infact, its forming like an employment snobbery. you will be needing to have a BA honours just to swill sht in a hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss_S_83 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 The only difference between the diploma and degree is one dissertation in the 3rd yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cressida Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 You have simply GOT to be trolling us, L-O-D So, tell me, how do the bottoms get wiped of the people who are, perhaps in hospital, paralysed? or those who are too ill, (such as those in the intensive care unit? how about the people who have "Mental Handicaps" (as it was called back in my day) and are incapable of bathing and cleansing their own "bits"? What would happen if it were your dear parent or grandparent being left in their own filth, uncared-for? I bet you'd be the first out from under the bridge and going squeaking to the TV news or the Star about how shockingly they were treated. Speaking as someone who nursed those with Learning Difficulties, and on a Stroke Rehab ward, as well as on Geriatric/ Psycho-Geriatric wards, I have cleaned more tiddly and poohed-up bottoms than you could shake a stick at. It's not the most pleasant task in the world, granted, but IMO, it's better to do this supposedly "menial" task, and leave a patient clean, hygienic and comfortable, by cleansing their dirty bottoms, than to leave them in an undignified mess, with the risk of the pooh causing sores, and tissue breakdown. Oh PT excellent post - more power to your elbow and others like you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 It was only in the last 5 years that the Labour government increased the bar for nurses. After a series of neglect cases Labour decided nurses must be degree qualified. Previously a student only needed to study a diploma. I think a lot of jobs recently imposed degree standard on applicants, but in a lot of cases this is unnesssary. Infact, its forming like an employment snobbery. you will be needing to have a BA honours just to swill sht in a hospital. And the problem is that there are very many extremely capable caring people out there who would love to be a nurse and have the right skills to do so, but sadly as some are just not academic enough to be able to complete a degree we are still very short of excellent nurses in this country and for a long time relied on people from ( say) the Philippines to fill the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Talker Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 You have simply GOT to be trolling us, L-O-D So, tell me, how do the bottoms get wiped of the people who are, perhaps in hospital, paralysed? or those who are too ill, (such as those in the intensive care unit? how about the people who have "Mental Handicaps" (as it was called back in my day) and are incapable of bathing and cleansing their own "bits"? What would happen if it were your dear parent or grandparent being left in their own filth, uncared-for? I bet you'd be the first out from under the bridge and going squeaking to the TV news or the Star about how shockingly they were treated. Speaking as someone who nursed those with Learning Difficulties, and on a Stroke Rehab ward, as well as on Geriatric/ Psycho-Geriatric wards, I have cleaned more tiddly and poohed-up bottoms than you could shake a stick at. It's not the most pleasant task in the world, granted, but IMO, it's better to do this supposedly "menial" task, and leave a patient clean, hygienic and comfortable, by cleansing their dirty bottoms, than to leave them in an undignified mess, with the risk of the pooh causing sores, and tissue breakdown. Oh PT excellent post - more power to your elbow and others like you:) Thank you Cressida. When I was doing that work, I would not want to see my patients in discomfort, whether pain from surgery etc or from bedsores and other tissue breakdown. It's only common sense, really when you think about it, isn't it? If you think about leaving your baby in a wet or dirty nappy, and how the urine and faeces burn the baby's flesh, giving "Nappy rash" if they aren't kept clean, it's obvious that if an adult has incontinence problems, and are left in their own filth, then the urine and faeces is going to burn their flesh. That's painful enough, but when you factor in that infection can set in through the damaged flesh, and that if allowed to get hold of the patient, these infections can even be fatal, it's just an horrific thought. I treated the patients in my care as I would wish to be treated, with kindness, compassion and dignity. I would not want to have a dirty bottom, and I would not want to leave a patient of mine with one, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffandy Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 You have simply GOT to be trolling us, L-O-D So, tell me, how do the bottoms get wiped of the people who are, perhaps in hospital, paralysed? or those who are too ill, (such as those in the intensive care unit? how about the people who have "Mental Handicaps" (as it was called back in my day) and are incapable of bathing and cleansing their own "bits"? What would happen if it were your dear parent or grandparent being left in their own filth, uncared-for? I bet you'd be the first out from under the bridge and going squeaking to the TV news or the Star about how shockingly they were treated. Speaking as someone who nursed those with Learning Difficulties, and on a Stroke Rehab ward, as well as on Geriatric/ Psycho-Geriatric wards, I have cleaned more tiddly and poohed-up bottoms than you could shake a stick at. It's not the most pleasant task in the world, granted, but IMO, it's better to do this supposedly "menial" task, and leave a patient clean, hygienic and comfortable, by cleansing their dirty bottoms, than to leave them in an undignified mess, with the risk of the pooh causing sores, and tissue breakdown. well said P.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 And the problem is that there are very many extremely capable caring people out there who would love to be a nurse and have the right skills to do so, but sadly as some are just not academic enough to be able to complete a degree we are still very short of excellent nurses in this country and for a long time relied on people from ( say) the Philippines to fill the gap. The problem is that it is an academic job to be a nurse now, who's practice has to be underpinned by a good understand of sound research. Also it's worth remembering that with the decrease in the junior doctors hours a lot of their roles and responsibilities have now been moved onto the nurses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 The problem is that it is an academic job to be a nurse now, who's practice has to be underpinned by a good understand of sound research. Also it's worth remembering that with the decrease in the junior doctors hours a lot of their roles and responsibilities have not been moved onto the nurses. Typo - I think you mean have now been moved on to nurses? I agree with your statement. My DD qualified as a registered nurse via a diploma about 15+ years ago. She has done all the caring tasks (I don't class them as menial, as they are the basis of nursing and are valued enormously by patients) but she now works in a specialist capacity on the same grade as a sister. DD studied for her degree whilst working full time as a nurse, and graduated with a BSc last year. If recruitment is done properly, then hospitals should have well qualified staff who genuinely care about patients. A win/win situation! NB: A diploma is currently enough to be a nurse. From 2013 a degree will be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Typo - I think you mean have now been moved on to nurses? Typos that the spellchecker cannot pick up are the bane of my life, post amended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Excuse me, I am a student nurse and you have to do just as much practical training as you do thoeyr, and believe me when I say, I have emptied many a bedpan in my time.. 'general nursing' is not beneath us, that is in fact the core of your skills... how dare you! You ignorant, know-it-all (or so you think). Have some respect you idiot. Excuse me, but calling people 'ignorant,' 'idiots.' 'know-it-alls,' and the general tone of your posts does you no credit, and says more about your attitude than the actual posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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