truman Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Do you believe this to be true? If so, can you explain why the rate among the population of psychosis and schizophrenie is unchanged at 2%, despite an explosion in cannabis use? I expect not. If the "explosion" is recent then will we see an increase in psychosis in the future after the users have been smoking it for longer..? I have no issue either way with cannabis use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 it doesn't cause psychosis. To be fair to Bassman, even though it is a pain to me, the study has added to the debate. WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN ON THIS TOPIC Cannabis use is associated with increased risk for psychotic disorder The temporal association between cannabis use and the onset of psychotic symptoms, as well as the mechanism by which cannabis use leads to psychotic disorder, remain unknown WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS Cannabis use precedes the onset of psychotic symptoms in individuals with no history of psychotic experiences; incident cannabis use was associated with incident psychotic experiences four years later Continued use of cannabis might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on persistence of (normally transitory) psychotic experiences in young people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auntysocial Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It always interests me that cannabis is the only thing that causes problems and alcohol is innocent. I have looked after 2 people with a syndrome called Korsakoffs caused by alcohol, and believe me, trying to work in a residental home looking after the elderly along with 2 quite young strapping fellas suffering the consiquences was very scary, I was in shock that they were housed together, and often wonder why? Its as though the wine glugging people in charge want to pretend its not there. I have seen both sides and Im not convinced that cannabis is as bad as people make out. First i think it makes a hell of a difference if a person fully understands the symptoms of being para, and then they have a better chance of controling their mind, second the chavs dont make a noise out in the allwyways, they just have a laugh and a bite to eat:hihi:, if you compare this to the bedlam of teenagers on booze its a godsend!!! thirdly to completly condrict number 1 and 2 i dont believe the chavs are of an age to be able to fully understand what being para is, or indeed that cannabis is where it should stop, rather than moving on to harder stuff, I think you have to be slightly older and able to compare personal experience of both to be able to decide. The best programmes iv seen back to back were the other week, first one about canabis with whats his face?? Martin Fowler off eastenders, followed by one about booze, with someones poor daughter half naked, off her head on booze probably about to get raped, always in bother with the old bill:suspect: Im not convinced me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 To cripple Bassman's ultimate aim, this isn't an argument for keeping the drug illegal. It is an argument for controlling the access that young people have to the drug, which fails completely under prohibition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It always interests me that cannabis is the only thing that causes problems and alcohol is innocent. I have looked after 2 people with a syndrome called Korsakoffs caused by alcohol, and believe me, trying to work in a residental home looking after the elderly along with 2 quite young strapping fellas suffering the consiquences was very scary, I was in shock that they were housed together, and often wonder why? Its as though the wine glugging people in charge want to pretend its not there. I have seen both sides and Im not convinced that cannabis is as bad as people make out. First i think it makes a hell of a difference if a person fully understands the symptoms of being para, and then they have a better chance of controling their mind, second the chavs dont make a noise out in the allwyways, they just have a laugh and a bite to eat:hihi:, if you compare this to the bedlam of teenagers on booze its a godsend!!! thirdly to completly condrict number 1 and 2 i dont believe the chavs are of an age to be able to fully understand what being para is, or indeed that cannabis is where it should stop, rather than moving on to harder stuff, I think you have to be slightly older and able to compare personal experience of both to be able to decide. The best programmes iv seen back to back were the other week, first one about canabis with whats his face?? Martin Fowler off eastenders, followed by one about booze, with someones poor daughter half naked, off her head on booze probably about to get raped, always in bother with the old bill:suspect: Im not convinced me. Well said, the A&E departments all over England are NOT full of dope smokers on a Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leelax Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What about the people who have a joint and drink alcohol? Most people I know who do one also do the other often at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What about the people who have a joint and drink alcohol? Most people I know who do one also do the other often at the same time. Is that worse than smoking on it's own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What about the people who have a joint and drink alcohol? Most people I know who do one also do the other often at the same time. What about people who wear jeans? Or trainers? I bet loads of people who wear jeans and trainers go on to develop psychosis. This does not mean that jeans and trainers cause psychosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leelax Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What about people who wear jeans? Or trainers? I bet loads of people who wear jeans and trainers go on to develop psychosis. This does not mean that jeans and trainers cause psychosis. :hihi::hihi:. You are really a very strange person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 To be fair to Bassman, even though it is a pain to me, the study has added to the debate. WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN ON THIS TOPIC Cannabis use is associated with increased risk for psychotic disorder The temporal association between cannabis use and the onset of psychotic symptoms, as well as the mechanism by which cannabis use leads to psychotic disorder, remain unknown WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS Cannabis use precedes the onset of psychotic symptoms in individuals with no history of psychotic experiences; incident cannabis use was associated with incident psychotic experiences four years later Continued use of cannabis might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on persistence of (normally transitory) psychotic experiences in young people yeah, but we all know this. we also know that the lack of history of mental illness does not mean you're not going to get it. not saying all cases are coincidence but we can say it caused their psychosis for sure. some people's mental illnesses manifest in puberty, some later, with or without weed. but i do agree that young'ens should be prevented from taking weed not sure complete prohibition and jail is the right way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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