espadrille Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Why not? When you don't bother it can be clearly very damaging to your party. Then again when the party leader prefers to stay at his £1.5m London home or ski abroad than making a 15 mile trip from his home constituency maybe people think well if he can't be bothered then..... The fact is that a skiing holiday was more important to Clegg than supporting the hard working LibDem campaigners and his actually pretty good candidate in in Barnsley. It was also more important than running the country, a duty he neglected when swanning off to the pistes. Telegraph - Nick-Clegg-runs-out-of-credibility.html and of course one believes everything that the Tory Graph portrays. If the Tory graph says so it must be true. Cant you see what the media are doing. All this attention they give Clegg takes all the pressure off Cameron. It suits them down to the ground and the fact that he doesn't see the point in arguing with loutish labour Mps. Well..I can see where he is coming from on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I think that if you look at the figures you will find that Labour actually lost 2,763 votes in less than a year. 1983 Roy Mason 21,847 votes 1987 Eric Illsley 26,139 votes 1992 Eric Illsley 27,048 votes 1997 Eric Illsley 28,090 votes 2001 Eric Illsley 19,181 votes 2005 Eric Illsley 17,478 votes 2010 Eric Illsley 17,487 votes 2011 Dan Jarvis 14,724 votes It looks really strange when you consider that the previous MP had a possible jail sentence hanging over him before he was re-elected. Mind you, the new fella knew which 30 year old Barnsley buttons to push in his campaign and winners speech; Thatcher, Thatcher and more Thatcher. Hopefully now that Dan Jarvis has secured his seat he will be eyes front from here on. Barnsley needs a decent MP. and look at how many they have lost since 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 and look at how many they have lost since 1983. Again, you ignore the turnout. This was a by-election where voter turnout tends to be lower. Historically turnout in this seat is 45% anywhere to 70%. Gaining 61% of a 45% turnout would have netted Labour about 18,500 votes. Labour hasn't lost what you think it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 and of course one believes everything that the Tory Graph portrays. If the Tory graph says so it must be true. Cant you see what the media are doing. All this attention they give Clegg takes all the pressure off Cameron. It suits them down to the ground and the fact that he doesn't see the point in arguing with loutish labour Mps. Well..I can see where he is coming from on that one. Don't be ridiculous, of course I don't believe everything the Telegraph says but it seems to me that opinion left and right is mobilising against Clegg. There are even rumblings of a leadership challenge from within the LibDem grass roots. Clegg is at sixes and sevens. Marginalised. Irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Clegg is at sixes and sevens. Marginalised. Irrelevant. Where did it all go wrong …………. He was the Messiah wasn’t he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Don't be ridiculous, of course I don't believe everything the Telegraph says but it seems to me that opinion left and right is mobilising against Clegg. There are even rumblings of a leadership challenge from within the LibDem grass roots. Clegg is at sixes and sevens. Marginalised. Irrelevant. Well it would wouldn't it.He is in the middle remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Well it would wouldn't it.He is in the middle remember. No he's not unfortunately. Despite what looked like a textbook left-ish LibDem electoral campaign Clegg is actually a right-wing LibDem Orange Booker with views that align very well with Cameron's. It wasn't clear during the general election just how far to the right the LibDem leadership had moved. We all found out that politically they could easily be right of centre Tories - Clegg, Laws, Davey and perhaps even Cable and Huhne. The electorate have been duped and they don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 . The electorate have been duped and they don't like it. The electorate will have their day ………… all the results wont be as decisive as the Barnsley vote but the Lib Dems know what they have coming. Clegg to hold crisis talks after Barnsley by-election 'kicking' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363188/Clegg-hold-crisis-talks-Barnsley-election-kicking.html#ixzz1FoeGcFhO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 No he's not unfortunately. Despite what looked like a textbook left-ish LibDem electoral campaign Clegg is actually a right-wing LibDem Orange Booker with views that align very well with Cameron's. It wasn't clear during the general election just how far to the right the LibDem leadership had moved. We all found out that politically they could easily be right of centre Tories - Clegg, Laws, Davey and perhaps even Cable and Huhne. The electorate have been duped and they don't like it. Ridiculous notion.Again, dont believe everything you read in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Ridiculous notion.Again, dont believe everything you read in the media. Clegg is one of the co-authors of the Orange Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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