Rupert_Baehr Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 It is time this country charged foreign vehicles to drive on our roads, as you say other countries have tolls if you drive there. We let people come and drive on our roads and the lorries fill up before coming over so that they save money. What is wrong with say a fixed charge of £10 per lorry and £5 a car, at least some money would be coming into the country. Bloody good idea! You don't want all those tourists coming to the UK, cluttering the place up, filling up all the B&Bs (and leaving 'no room at the inn' for 'consenting partners',) do you? It's not as if tourism brings any money into the country, is it? As for lorries, why stop at a tenner? Charge each of them £1000 and make them pay up before they get off the boat. (Those coming through the Channel Tunnel could probably do a 'whip round' amongst the passengers.) That would stop those inconsiderate lorry drivers from cruising around looking at the scenery! What do you mean: "They don't come over to look at the scenery, they come over to deliver imported goods"? That doesn't matter. It's 'Treasure Island'. - Let them pass the costs on to the people who buy the stuff on the lorries. They can afford to pay for it. Just to be fair, charge outgoing lorries £1000 to get on the boat. (Nobody can say you're discriminating or blocking trade if you do that.) The people who intended to buy the exported goods will have to pay the £1000 surcharge and if they don't like it, they can go elsewhere to buy goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 if the reason why our petrol is so expensive then why is the uk continually much more expensive than other nations in the eu, especially diesel. the uk is on average 2-3p per liter more expensive for petrol and 15-18p per liter for diesel. When did you last check your figures? - Petrol prices in Europe have changed considerably over the past few weeks. Around here (Southern Germany) petrol is about £1.35 and diesel about £1.20 (I think - I'll check the prices tomorrow and post them.) Diesel attracts lower tax than does petrol, but (certainly in Germany and in Belgium) the equivalent of a 'tax disc' for a diesel costs about 5 times that of a petrol-engined car.(AFAIR; I haven't run a diesel for about 5 years - I don't do a sufficiently high mileage to make running a diesel break-even. - The last time I checked, if you weren't doing 25-30,000 miles a year, it was cheaper to run a petrol-engined car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonjon Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Yes, because there is no alternative to oil-based forms of transport. I could just imagine you on your high horse(I mean bicycle) pulling a 40 ton trailer to Asda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Leave aside the rights and wrongs of cutting the islanders fuel duty,so what gets me is we have to ask permission of the E U before we can decide our own fuel duty? what a sad state this once great country has become.begging the E U to grant us permission. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12648814 There is one solution have a referendum and if the people show that they wish to get out of Europe, then get out. The Great in Great Britain vanished the day we ditched the Commonwealth and entered the Common Market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steiner Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 There is one solution have a referendum and if the people show that they wish to get out of Europe, then get out. The Great in Great Britain vanished the day we ditched the Commonwealth and entered the Common Market. I agree the problem is liebour CONnservative and lib dems wont give us the option because they fear the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emma royd Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 It seems to me that any sovereignty we had has long one. Along with the promised referendum on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinner Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Leave aside the rights and wrongs of cutting the islanders fuel duty,so what gets me is we have to ask permission of the E U before we can decide our own fuel duty? what a sad state this once great country has become.begging the E U to grant us permission. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12648814 True. It's about time that the UK upped and offed from the shower of parasites in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinner Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 There is one solution have a referendum and if the people show that they wish to get out of Europe, then get out. The Great in Great Britain vanished the day we ditched the Commonwealth and entered the Common Market. I agree the problem is liebour CONnservative and lib dems wont give us the option because they fear the result. True; I note that, in Barnsley Central, UKIP came second (way ahead of ConLibDems). Well, it's a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Fuel costs are not higher: There are six EU countries with more expensive petrol right now; two others that match us. The rest clustering around. In Norway petrol is 20p per litre more expensive than here. In Spain it’s 20p per litre cheaper. Obviously relative fuel prices between countries fluctuate according to international and national events, our various national tax schedules, and, where applicable, currency fluctuations. The order of countries on the list changes all the time. I’d quite like to assemble a timelapse of the graph for the past 20 years, to see whether there were any interesting trends — perhaps it was true for a while that the UK was paying a noticeable amount more? But there are a lot of other things I’d quite like to do more, so I’m not going to. The best source I can find for the claim is a uSwitch “survey” from 2008: PDF. As you can see, uSwitch take researching their “surveys” even more seriously than I take researching blog posts. They put some keywords into Google, found various sources of data, and put them together in Excel. I recommend going to page 5 to follow their quite fabulous method for calculating the annual national spend on petrol. Apparently we don’t have the real data, so they had to make it up. Only they forgot the Peter Snow “just a bit of fun” disclaimers when they prepared the press release and accidentally got their made up facts printed in every newspaper. The “survey” did show that Britain was paying more per litre than other European countries in 2008 (when the pound was noticeably stronger against the Euro). In many cases it was only by a hair’s breadth, and thus it was not a particularly interesting fact, but it was true nonetheless, according to the data given. So a press release was prepared and the newspapers mangled some impressive sounding numbers out of the data, which have become part of the collective wisdom of the British people. Interestingly, even though the “survey” itself pointed out that we do not pay the highest rate of tax, this didn’t prevent the Daily Mail declaring that it is so in their headline. But enough of that. The basic conclusion is that, currently, the claim is not true. And when it was true, it probably wasn’t interestingly true. And the other conclusion is that, for such a common claim, there doesn’t seem to be any good quality well presented and well publicised data on this. I’d love to see such things as: * Price-per-litre trends over time for these countries, with and without taking into account inflation and currency fluctuations. * Amount and proportion of the price-per-litre that is tax, with trends over time. * Total national spend (not made up numbers), with population, number of cars, etc, for comparison. (Because paying more for petrol is not the same as spending more on petrol, and the latter probably says far more interesting things.) What is probably true is that motoring is a painful cost for many people. But paradoxically, it’s the fall in the cost of motoring that has caused this problem. During the good times of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, more and more people have built themselves into a car dependency. Car ownership is higher than ever because the cost has been falling for so long. And so, with everybody owning a car, our houses have moved further from our work places, our village shops and services have closed, and the bus service has been withdrawn. This in turn pushes more people to buy and run a car, even if they can not really afford to do so and were quite happy living without one until the shops closed. And when the good times turn bad — when wages are frozen, when office locations are merged, and when redundancies are handed out — you can not simply give up the car. The world changed. http://waronthemotorist.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesey Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Higher fuel costs means fewer miles travelled and more lives saved. get real you must not drive anywhere:loopy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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