Disgraceful treatment of Muslims in Orange County

[flamingjimmy]

harassing families at a charity event? Wow I'm genuinely shocked.

 

Sickening, I hope that one day they learn a thing or two and are deeply ashamed of themselves.

[Badlittlepup]

I don't like religion but I respect peoples' freedoms. What is happening in the USA at the moment scares me. Take a moment to watch this video. We think the EDL are bad but this is 'respectable' republicans showing vile hatred to Muslim men and women and their children arriving at a fundraising event.

 

That fundraiser was a fundraiser for the the Islamic Circle of North America. This is an organisation that when holding it's annual convention requested that a local politician attend to welcome delegates. When they were offered a the female vice-chair they turned it down as they would not allow a female voice to be heard in their meeting as it would be 'sexually seductive'.

 

It has been linked with terrorist organisations and has solicited tax deductable donations which it has then given to Islamist causes. Their meetings have been addressed by a man who has been linked to 9/11, the Fort Hood shootings and the attempted Christmas Day bombings.

 

It supports the imposition of sharia law on the west and his linked with fundamentalist organisations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. More info here

 

Of course it's unacceptable for anybody to say they want to send people to an early grave but this is not exactly the Girls Scout cookie drive you are trying to portray it as.

[Bloomdido]

Wicked people. This must be lies then.

[spindrift]

But they don't tend to have politicians spouting hatred on behalf of their cause.

 

The equivalent in this country would be two MPs and a local councillor attending the EDL filth on a rally screaming abuse at children.

[Badlittlepup]

Wicked people. This must be lies then.

 

I've read that and reread that and essentially what is implied on their own website is that this rally was being addressed by people who have extremist fundamentalist views but they are claiming that they were only there to talk about charity work so that was okay.

 

Put it another way. If Nick Griffin, the leaders of the EDL and Combat 18 decided to give a seminar on Help the Aged and the RSPCA and ways they could be helped it would be unacceptable for the ANL to protest against that meeting because they were only talking about charity and not promoting extremist views. That's balls frankly.

 

And further to that if I posted a link to the EDL website and presented all the facts on there as unbiased non-partisan truth I would quite frankly get crucified for it and this organisation is no different. Their claim to be raising money for the homeless sounds about as truthful as the EDL's claims not to be racist.

[Badlittlepup]

The equivalent in this country would be two MPs and a local councillor attending the EDL filth on a rally screaming abuse at children.

 

I've seen BNP and far right events that children attend but that doesn't make the views held by the people who are at the same event acceptable or mean that people shouldn't be allowed to protest against it.

[spindrift]

I've read that and reread that and essentially what is implied on their own website is that this rally was being addressed by people who have extremist fundamentalist views .

 

What extremist views?

 

They were attending a charity that feeds the homeless, what is your evidence that extremist views were expressed at the meeting?

 

 

Were the children expressing extremist views? If they were, does that make it ok for the local councillor to say it would be good if they were murdered?

 

What's your evidence?

[spindrift]

bloomdido's link:

 

If the real reason the protesters were concerned had only to do with what they saw as questionable in the two speakers, their signs should have only been about the speakers and the things about them that they saw as objectionable. This would present at least the opportunity for genuine dialogue at some point between the two groups. It would present the chance to come together into a community of dialogue in order to understand each other’s motivations and concerns. The fact that they transformed it into an anti-Islam protest full of ignorant general statements about Islam directed at ordinary American citizens shows that they used their claims about the two speakers as an excuse to express their absurd fear and hatred of an entire culture and community. They are not interested in being a part of a community with Muslims, with other cultures.

 

That makes them as un-American as the radical fundamentalist Muslim they fear that happily shares in their xenophobia and lack of interest in sharing a community together. This attitude is not American. America is a great melting pot of cultures. America is multicultural insofar as it is a community of diverse cultures living together as a nation. This has nothing to do with having to accept for yourself or believe what other people believe. It means that people of different cultures can have dialogues with each other, discovering their similarities and differences while affirming their own and each other’s identities. Tea Party supporters are thus both on shaky ethical ground in their behavior and un-American. They should worry less about Muslim culture and more about improving their own local cultures and communities. I hope the country will rejoice when the Tea Party runs out of steam, and this will happen one day, because it only has bankrupt principles that are antithetical to the American dream to rely on otherwise, and they will not sustain it into the future. Every single citizen in this country needs to remember what America is. The only damage the Tea Party could do is if they get away with redefining what being American means, and that is precisely what they are doing no matter how loudly they will deny it.

 

Stay safe and ignore fools like those in the Tea Party, Muslim Americans.

[Badlittlepup]

Here are profiles for the two main speakers at this event. This was an event with hugely extremist main speakers, it was not a simple uncontroversial charity dinner to raise funds for the homeless.

 

 

Siraj Wahhaj is an African American convert to Islam. He currently serves as Imam of the Masjid Al-Taqwa mosque in Brooklyn, New York.

 

Born as Jeffrey Kearse, Wahhaj was raised as a Baptist in New York City. He attended Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario, Canada, where he studied math education. His interest in Islam, he says, arose shortly after the 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., which prompted Wahhaj to go "looking for more militancy."

 

In the course of that search, Wahhaj became involved with the Nation of Islam and its leader, Louis Farrakhan, under whose influence he converted to Islam in 1969. Aligning himself with Islam's Sunni sect, Wahhaj studied at Umm al-Qura University in Mecca in 1978.

 

In 1981 Wahhaj founded his own mosque, the aforementioned Masjid Al-Taqwa, which initially was based in a friend's Brooklyn apartment (with a membership of fewer than 25 people). Today, however, Wahhaj’s mosque is recognized by Muslims all around the world.

 

In 1991 Wahhaj, who had managed to cultivate an image as a moderate in the eyes of the American public, became the first Muslim ever to recite an opening prayer before a meeting of the U.S. House of Representatives.

 

That same year, however, Wahhaj, in a speech before the Islamic Association of North Texas, called Operation Desert Storm (the U.S.-led military campaign to drive Saddam Hussein's invading forces out of Kuwait) "one of the most diabolical plots ever in the annals of history." Moreover, he predicted that America would fall unless it "accepts the Islamic agenda."

 

In September 1991 Wahhaj stated the following:

 

"…And [Allah] declared 'Whoever is at war with my friends, I declare war on them.' ... Your true friend is Allah, the messenger, and those who believe.... Hear what I'm telling you well. The Americans are not your friends ... The Canadians are not your friends ... The Europeans are not your friends. Your friend is Allah, the Messenger and those who believe. These people will never be satisfied with you until you follow their religion ..."

 

In a 1992 address to an audience of Muslims in New Jersey, Wahhaj expressed his desire to see Muslims seize control of the United States and replace its constitutional government with an Islamic caliphate. “If we were united and strong,” Wahhaj said, “we'd elect our own emir [leader] and give allegiance to him.... [T]ake my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us.”

 

In 1995 Wahhaj was named by U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White as a possible co-conspirator to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Wahhaj angrily objected to that designation, noting in his defense that he had eaten "dinner with Secretary of State [Madeline] Albright -- after the list" of co-conspirators had been released.

 

In the summer of 1999, Wahhaj testified as a character witness for convicted terror mastermind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman. Wahhaj stated, on the record, that he considered it an honor to have had an opportunity to host Abdel-Rahman at his mosque, describing the latter as a “respected scholar ... bold ... [and] a strong preacher of Islam.”

 

In February 2001 Wahhaj, along with Ihsan Bagby, founded the Muslim Alliance of North America, a predominantly black organization representing Muslims indigenous to the United States.

 

In August and September of 2001, just prior to the 9/11 attacks, Wahhaj was a guest speaker a "Jihad Camp" in Pennsylvania. The camp was organized by Safet Abid Catovic, a leader of the Benevolence International Foundation, a "charity" that would be shut down in November 2002 on charges that it had provided funding for al Qaeda.

 

In the wake of 9/11, Wahhaj spoke at a convention in Baltimore sponsored by the Islamic Circle of North America.

 

On October 20, 2001, Wahhaj told a meeting of Muslim activists in Houston:

 

"[T]his [American] government has already sent in[to] every major [mosque], agent provocateurs. Most of you don't know what that is. All you know is about spies. The government has spies, they have infiltrators. But there's some difference from being a spy and an agent provocateur. What an agent provocateur does, he goes to a [mosque], he looks just like you. He's got a beard just like your beard... And their job is to entrap you no different than the prostitute, the police women dressed as a prostitute, whereas he's coming to the [mosque], dressed as a Muslim."

 

Wahhaj is a well known speaker on Islamic issues, traveling the U.S. and abroad to lecture on the virtues of his faith. For his talks, Wahhaj typically receives an honorarium of $1,000 to $2,000.

 

In June 2004 Wahhaj spoke at an event titled “Next Generation Muslims—Education & Survival,” which was organized by the Universal Heritage Foundation, a Florida-based outpost of Islamism and anti-Semitism.

 

Wahhaj was once an Advisory Board member for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). On June 6, 2006, CAIR's Ohio affiliate held a large fundraiser in honor of Wahhaj. Following the event, CAIR-Ohio issued a press release heralding the more than $100,000 that Wahhaj had helped raise that evening for the organization's “civil liberties work.”

 

In August 2006 Wahhaj was a guest speaker at an event organized by Young Muslims, where he shared the stage with Mazen Mokhtarm, Youth Director for the Muslim American Society's New Jersey chapter. Mokhtarm has promoted the official website of Hamas, a group which he has called "heroic."

 

Wahhaj today is affiliated with the Islamic Society of North America, and he serves as a Board of Trustees member for the North American Imams Federation.

 

Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz has said the following of Wahhaj:

 

"People like Wahhaj went from Nation of Islam to Saudi Wahhabism, and they preach those extreme views to their followers.... Wahhabism is hostile to all 'nonbelievers,' to secular society, certainly to American society, and it can fit with black radical thought. Despite denouncing Islamic terrorism on a number of occasions, Wahhaj has expressed a desire to remain neutral about Osama bin Laden and his complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He has said: 'I'm just not so sure I want to be one of the ones who say, Yeah, he did it. He's a horrible man.'"

 

 

Rabidly anti-Israel, anti-Semitic public speaker

Lectures frequently on college campuses and at Muslim Student Association events

Supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah

 

Amir-Abdel Malik-Ali (also known as Abdul Malik Ali and Abd Al-Malik) is a black Imam associated with the Masjid Al Islam mosque in Oakland. A graduate of San Francisco State University and a former Nation of Islam member, he is a frequent guest lecturer at Muslim Student Union and Muslim Students Association events. A passionate supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, he helped organize a July 1999 rally in San Francisco at which Imam Abdul-Alim Musa proudly displayed a cashier’s check made out to “Hamas, Palestine.” Malik-Ali endorses suicide bombings as a legitimate “resistance” tactic: “Palestinian mothers are supporting their children who are suicide bombers, saying, ‘Go honey, go!’ That ain’t suicide; that’s martyrdom.”

 

A fervent admirer of the famed Nation of Islam leader Malcolm X, Malik-Ali is a leader of the As-Sabiqun movement which is inspired by Malcolm’s work and life. He is also part of the Al-Masjid movement which is dedicated to creating an Islamic revolution in the United States. His ultimate goal is to see Islamic law instituted in America, and he refers to those who oppose this objective as “poop-butts.” “From an Islamic movement we graduate to an Islamic revolution,” he says, “then to an Islamic state. . . . We must implement Islam as a totality [in which] Allah controls every place -- the home, the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress.”

 

Malik-Ali is a favorite guest speaker of UC Irvine’s Muslim Student Union (MSU). In 2002, he told an MSU audience: “Israel wants Palestinians to have their own state. It’s beyond that now. No. That’s off the table. One state. Majority rules. Us. The Muslims.”

 

On February 26, 2004, MSU again brought Malik-Ali to the UC Irvine campus to deliver a speech titled “America under Siege: The Zionist Hidden Agenda.” According to UCI’s student newspaper, he “implied that Zionism is a mixture of ‘chosen people-ness and white supremacy’; that the Iraqi war is in the process of ‘Israelization’; that the Zionists had the ‘Congress, the media and the FBI in their back pocket’; that the downfall of former Democratic [presidential] front-runner Howard Dean was due to the Zionists; and that the Mossad [israel’s intelligence agency] would have assassinated Al Gore if he was elected [in 2000] just to bring Joe Lieberman (his Jewish vice-president) to power.”

 

At a February 2005 MSU-organized event held in the center quad at UC Irvine, Malik-Ali stood at a podium that bore the inscription “Desperation of the Zionist Lobby,” and told his audience of some 150 mostly Muslim listeners: “Zionism is a mixture, a fusion of the concept of white supremacy and the chosen people.” He complained about Zionist control of the American media, Zionist complicity in the war in Iraq, and Zionists’ ability to deflect justified criticism. “You will have to hear more about the Holocaust when you accuse them of their Nazi behavior,” Malik-Ali declared. “One state. Majority rule,” he added, to rousing applause. “Check that out. Us. The Muslims.”

 

In February 2006, Malik-Ali told an audience at Long Beach State University that "the Zionist Jews were behind" the Danish cartoon controversy that had recently sparked Muslim riots around the world.

 

In a May 2006 appearance at UC Irvine, Malik-Ali accused the "apartheid State of Israel" of carrying out a "holocaust" and a "genocide" against the Palestinian people. He spoke from a podium whose facade was adorned with a banner that read, “Israel, the 4th Reich.” Referring to Jews as "new Nazis" and "a bunch of straight-up punks," he told Jews directly: “The truth of the matter is your days are numbered. We will fight you. We will fight you until we are either martyred or until we are victorious.” He also gloated over the fact that former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who had been felled by a massive stroke four months earlier, was "a vegetable now."

 

Malik-Ali was again the featured speaker at an October 5, 2006 MSU event where he told a crowd of roughly 200 cheering students: “They [Jews] think they are superman, but we, the Muslims, are kryptonite. They [Jews] know that their days are numbered.”

 

In May 2007, MSU held an “Israel: Apartheid Resurrected” week that featured twice-daily speeches and rallies condemning the State of Israel. On May 17, Malik-Ali delivered a lecture titled “UC Intifada: How you can help Palestine,” wherein he informed Muslim students that a martyr’s death is the most honorable form of death. “Victory or martyrdom,” he asserted, are the only two viable options available to the Palestinians in their battle against Israel. Refusing to recognize Israel’s existence, Malik-Ali referred to that country not by its name, but only as the “Zionist Apartheid State.”

 

Also among Malik-Ali’s notable quotes and positions are the following:

“The enemies of Islam know that when we come back to power we’re gonna check ’em.”

“Stay conscious and ask Allah to raise the Muslims and give us victory over the disbeliever.”

“When it’s all over, the only one standing is gonna be us [Muslims].”

“Sooner or later, today’s Muslim students will be the parents of Muslim children. And they should be militants.”

“Neo-cons are all Zionist Jews.”

“The wars against Iraq [Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom] were manufactured by the Jews in America to avert attention from the two [Palestinian] Intifadas.”

“You [Jews] made all the mistakes we wanted you to make. You went after [former Georgia congresswoman] Cynthia McKinney. So now black folks don’t like you.... You’re walking into all the traps we want you to walk into. You hijacked American foreign policy.”

“[T]he Israelis were in control of 9-11,” which “was staged to give an excuse to wage war against Muslims around the world.”

Israelis ought to return “to Germany, to Poland, to Russia. The Germans should hook y’all up. You [israelis] should go back to Germany.”

“In America, you’re mostly fighting with your tongue, but you should also learn how to fight with the sword.”

At the Sixth Annual Muslim Student Association Conference held at UC Berkeley in February 2004, Malik-Ali denounced “the white man, who is the enemy.”

At the Universal Heritage Foundation’s December 2003 Islamic Conference in Florida, he warned moderate American Muslims that their desire to be “liked” was turning them into “‘house slaves’ in the mansion of a racist, imperialistic and destructive America.”

He has described Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a “pretty good guy.”

 

So extremist, anti-semetic, fundamentalist speakers who have advocated terrorism. Come on. This is not exactly a tombola and cake sale to raise funds for the homeless is it?

[newboy2011]

Here are profiles for the two main speakers at this event. This was an event with hugely extremist main speakers, it was not a simple uncontroversial charity dinner to raise funds for the homeless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So extremist, anti-semetic, fundamentalist speakers who have advocated terrorism. Come on. This is not exactly a tombola and cake sale to raise funds for the homeless is it?

 

 

 

Ah the truth outs, typical Islamic tactic.