ledbacklight Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 http://www.bornagainpagan.com/other/017-god-v-satan.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Interpreting religious texts literally is a very common method used by non-religious people to make fun of religions. Interpreting religious texts literally is also very common amongst religious bigots to try and gain advantages. surely that is a good demonstration of one's "Satanic" side of him or her ? Nope. It's simply a part of their personality. Nothing to do with being "satanic". Nobody is claiming that everything written within it, is factual truth and it happened in history. Many religious people try to claim that their flavour of religion is historically accurate. Try 751, 2.... onwards. All of which occurred after you had decided to stick your oar in. Until you did, there was no real argument on this thread. It is you that is responsible for the introduction of bickering and narrow mindedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 http://www.bornagainpagan.com/other/017-god-v-satan.jpg Oh, we may as well use proper stats like self proclaimed religious individuals, and lump those into the mix as well, and forget that rationalists and non-believers hold no responsibility to the world's ills in any way shape or form at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Try 751, 2.... onwards. You could have left it, nipped it in the bud, but you did not. Talking behind someone's back is also considered as b!tchy in some books. Sorry, talking badly in front of them, rather. (I did read the threads.) Ok. Right. I do not want to fight with you, but as you asked. Please read my posts, and understand what I was saying, give some courtesy and give it time to understand and internalise what I wrote from my perspective, and wear MY hat for once. Not your own, but my hat. I am often pretty moral in my decisions and viewpoints. History of flow. What caused what to happen ? Who was the offensive, and who was the defensive ? I joined and wrote post 742. I said I agree with those points. (Cos I knew that those who were rationalists won't understand it in their terms if it was not paraphrased in another way for them to understand it.) Post 743. I took that as an obtuse comment. Shouldn't it be that simple? The answer is YES ! God and Satan in the spiritual sense are just mere concepts, metaphors, ideas, theory. Man uses it to think "is this good, or is this bad". That is all. Post 744, I genuinely was trying to talk to you. Post 746 - Why the sulking? Why the skepticisms? I was talking in a general sense, and you took that so personally. There are many other people that are similar in thinking in a rational way, on topics that cannot be rationalised to the tee. 747 - Anyhow, as you took it personally, I too took it personally from this point onwards, as you responded. 748 - I try to detach the personal angle from that and went back to being more general about the subject. 749 - I was so annoyed at this point, cos you seem to be so obtuse on the subject. I can say that I was so frustrated that you do not seem to understand it at all. Then I also felt I had to defend myself on my posts and approach. I threw in other ideas to make you understand the difference between yourself, your thought process, and me and my thought process. 750 - I do not get that. Why did you assume that I was there to challenge you ? If you read some of my post, it was both with intent to make you understand, and annoyance at some of your obtusiveness. You were so oblivious to the very obvious, which is really annoying. I could've responded to you and ask daft questions like, "do you know what is an apple", just to be mean, and force your thought process down a different way. 751,2.... those posts between yourself and Karis was not exactly welcoming, is it ? Discussional forum - Yes, I understand what it means. However, it is very obvious to me when I read through some of the posts on this thread that, there were deliberate obtusiveness for the sake of logical deduction or whatever on someone else's words, and took it wrongly, and therefore threw the supposed "discussion" out of the window. To me, from someone who is more empathetic, doing so, is absolutely rude and obtuse. Cos why would you take something out of context? The subject itself is not a logical one and can be deducted anyhow. Most people interprets it and uses it as a way to define one's life path. Exactly why would anyone not see the most obvious ? These posts all happened AFTER you joined, like I said, up until that point the thread was doing well. So I was right. Why do you interpret rational discussion as being obtuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 He was the only user on SF that I have ever had to put on "Ignore" due to the content of some of his posts. I think I can see someone becoming the second. You know, I'd completely forgotten about "ignore" how does it work, do you not see anything at all posted by the ignoree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 You know, I'd completely forgotten about "ignore" how does it work, do you not see anything at all posted by the ignoree? Yeah, until someone quotes the person you're ignoring, which is a bit daft, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Yeah, until someone quotes the person you're ignoring, which is a bit daft, if you ask me. oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 These posts all happened AFTER you joined, like I said, up until that point the thread was doing well. So I was right. Why do you interpret rational discussion as being obtuse? To be frank with you, I do not see ALL "rational" discussions as being obtuse. HOWEVER, there is a time, place, AND flow, in how one approaches a subject. Is it a scientific one that may excel with rational and logical deduction ? Is it a general currents affair discussion where each member of he society has a right to a view ? Is it a personal issue, which needs and requires sympathy, empathy and just understanding, learning, and accepting ? The obtusiveness comes in when one, anyone, decides to use rationality to bulldoze and create a "fight" situation in a thread or topic on a personal issue, or a topic that is not rationalisable. If you continue to do that, you cause conflict. That is simple enough to describe it. When feelings are involved, well... should there be rationality ? If I may be so bold to say this, but the thread was not doing so well... and hence it caught my attention. Lots of thoughts came to mind. "Why he is saying that, when he means the other?" "Now he is making fun of someone else rather than be adult about it and find another way to explain." "Now he is taking the mick, cos he is impatient." "They agreed that it was not literal and now reverting back to this again??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 As usual, can you give any examples of posts which show any of this, WITHOUT an essay? Just quote some posts and leave a short statement with each one to explain, if you can. Otherwise I might just see if the cap fits and actually start being all the things you say I am. You know what, I am not going to quote you. Cos again, you are being you, and not being considerate. You should absolutely study Christianity, cos you will need it. I have been trying to point out where you have been wrong in this thread, (in terms of religion and Christianity's viewpoint, yet you cannot relate to this even when I do this.) You cannot see it for yourself. No wonder you are asking why Satan is a bad person! I do not think that you have that "reflective" method instilled within yourself in order to grow. To me, it is SO obvious. Maybe you need to find your own spiritual self, or at least find a way to rationalise this Christianity business into your own mindset, cos I think you have no clue. Therefore it creates a situation whereby you seems to displace your own actions, projection of Self onto others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 You know what, I am not going to quote you. Cos again, you are being you, and not being considerate. I see, you're not going to prove your claims, because I'm being inconsiderate by asking you to? You should absolutely study Christianity, cos you will need it. I have studied Christianity to an extent, I prefer to discuss things with people who know first hand though, if they are willing to discuss. I don't think I will need Christianity, unless I have a reason to believe in God or Jesus, in which case Christianity comes to me by default. No wonder you are asking why Satan is a bad person! To me, it is SO obvious. I haven't asked why Satan is a bad person. I asked why should we think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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