UK unemployment at 17 year high

[Rowan22]

So you think that you are right and that most other people are wrong?

 

That suggests your delusion, not your empathy.

 

 

I don’t think most people are wrong. I think they subscribe to the status quo because they have been coerced into accepting slavery. Most people are so caught up in survival that reflection is no longer a "luxury" they can afford. They have been conned by Capitalism to equate freedom with material possessions. This is a lie. It is a very narcotic lie, but a lie none the less.

 

Freedom is within. I suggest that if this makes me delusional, I am happy to be thought so. I am in good company, Voltaire, Rousseau, Jefferson, Adams, Montesquieu, Sartre, Kierkegaard, Marx, Rogers, Masslow etc.

 

You know the saying goes:

 

“What profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?”

[esme]

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[Tony]

Even socialists accept that Marx was wrong. Is there a special reason for you to cling to the Manifesto? As pamphlets go it's very much of its time and with hindsight it didn't even really represent the world of when it was written.

 

That aside, how on earth are you going to ensure full employment? Are you going to drag people to work? Wasn't that tried before with err, let's say mixed results.

[Rowan22]

i hear you. my feeling and emphasis has always been on, as it's called, 'livity'. you live right and do right thing will fall into place. but, as you say, what's needed now is a jolt.

as you've said all the problems-climatic, economic, the increase in mental health disease and medication, the proliferation of viral and other diseases, apathy, war etc- all really stem from the same thing. and all, more or less, have similar solutions all leading back to one basic thing ie- do right by others and the planet.

 

of course, a change in being from what we've been for centuries is going to be tricky, but i think replacing one 'ism with another based on more or less the same assumptions would not fix the problem.

don't ask me what can be done, i don't know.

 

Nicely put. Me too. I only know that given the current state of things the things you and I have discussed stand out as obvious. And why then should the solution be any less obvious. Whether you think of it as "livit" or Karma, or reciprocity or ecological balance, the same organic terms and concepts come around again and again. We can’t eat money and we can’t breathe gold.

 

When we have finally destroyed the forests and polluted the rivers and oceans the connections will seem glaringly obvious. They already seem this way. So why the headlong rush towards destruction?

 

Human ingenuity has survived ice ages plagues, disasters of all shapes and severities. Why in the face of this world wide catastrophe are the most obvious measures not being taken to preserve life and act creatively rather than destructively?

 

One word Greed.

[Tony]

Human ingenuity has survived ice ages plagues, disasters of all shapes and severities. Why in the face of this world wide catastrophe are the most obvious measures not being taken to preserve life and act creatively rather than destructively?

 

One word Greed.

 

One word. Competition.

[Mecky]

Even socialists accept that Marx was wrong. Is there a special reason for you to cling to the Manifesto? As pamphlets go it's very much of its time and with hindsight it didn't even really represent the world of when it was written.

 

That aside, how on earth are you going to ensure full employment? Are you going to drag people to work? Wasn't that tried before with err, let's say mixed results.

 

How can Marx be wrong when he never said how people should live?

 

I see you've returned to your favourite old tatic of a reduction of credibility to someone's argument through absurdity.

[Tony]

You've not read his pamphlet have you?

 

 

 

But, to get back on topic I'll ask you the same question: How are you going to ensure full employment?

[Rowan22]

Even socialists accept that Marx was wrong. Is there a special reason for you to cling to the Manifesto? As pamphlets go it's very much of its time and with hindsight it didn't even really represent the world of when it was written.

 

That aside, how on earth are you going to ensure full employment? Are you going to drag people to work? Wasn't that tried before with err, let's say mixed results.

 

The only Marxist who thinks Marx was wrong isn't a Marxist is he?

 

The "Satanic Mills" were a reality in nineteenth century Manchester. They have relocated to Indonesia now where the bloodsuckers can avoid those "pesky" human rights.

 

Where workers are denied toilet breaks and so urinate in their seats.

 

You ask for "sweeping generalisations" and I offer you very specific human rights violations. Are you comfortable with someone else sitting in his/her own urine?

 

I'm not. Just like I’m not comfortable with the eight hundred and fifty billion paid to bail out banks who are still paying the architects of the theft multi million pound bonuses. To belive that this is justified makes a mockery of both justice and morality.

[mj.scuba]

Youth unemployment (18-24 year olds) at nearly 20% is particularly worrying.

[Tony]

The only Marxist who thinks Marx was wrong isn't a Marxist is he?

Ah, you are learning the old leftist techniques well. I didn't say Marxists.

Even socialists accept that Marx was wrong. Is there a special reason for you to cling to the Manifesto? As pamphlets go it's very much of its time and with hindsight it didn't even really represent the world of when it was written.

 

That aside, how on earth are you going to ensure full employment? Are you going to drag people to work? Wasn't that tried before with err, let's say mixed results.

 

 

 

How are you going to ensure full employment?