Panorama reveals the real story behind the country’s revolution.

[Harleyman]

Sometimes sending exploding cigars won't get rid of a leader who won't play ball! ( Cuba )

 

Some times sending in hundreds and thousands of soliders have to be sent too inavde (Iraq )

 

 

Some times a CIA funded coup will do ( Iran )

 

Some times that coup don't work ( Hugo Chavez )

 

 

Sometimes you have to wait for world war 3 ( north Korea , Iran )

 

How can you be so blind to the fact that western powers always fund coups and executions of leaders they don't likE?

 

 

 

Has it ever occured to you that the reason for the number of current upheavals in the middle east night just be caused by widespread discontent with corrupt leaders who have been in power for too long and that the successful removal of the Tunisian leader may have caused the rest of the middle east people of lesser affluence to be inspired by that success or are you one of those people who check under their beds every night to make sure there are no boogy men there... in your case CIA agents.

 

You obviously have a very blinkered view of why certain events take place in the world. You assume that everyone in the middle east is stupid and unless it's the evil machinations of the CIA busily fomenting discontent the people are a bunch of dumb sheep who are content to go on accepting the status quo rather than the obvious of saying "We've had enough of the ass holes running our country. If the Tunisians can get rid of theirs, we can rid ourselves of ours"

[truthlogic]

The Arab uprising of which I have been following on all Arab media channels as well as were never covered by the western media untill it was too big ignore !

We had demos in Iraq ignored

 

We still have weekly anti US demos in Kabul when were they last covered by our media ?

[truthlogic]

Has it ever occured to you that the reason for the number of current upheavals in the middle east night just be caused by widespread discontent with corrupt leaders who have been in power for too long and that the successful removal of the Tunisian leader may have caused the rest of the middle east people of lesser affluence to be inspired by that success or are you one of those people who check under their beds every night to make sure there are no boogy men there... in your case CIA agents.

 

You obviously have a very blinkered view of why certain events take place in the world. You assume that everyone in the middle east is stupid and unless it's the evil machinations of the CIA busily fomenting discontent the people are a bunch of dumb sheep who are content to go on accepting the status quo rather than the obvious of saying "We've had enough of the ass holes running our country. If the Tunisians can get rid of theirs, we can rid ourselves of ours"

 

 

We hardly wana get rid of all dictators!

My simple watered down list was only to inform you of the ones we HAVE got rid of by any means possible !

 

There are plenty of regimes which we have funded , armed , and given political backing since before they were even in power ( eg the house of Saud )

 

You have missed the point entirely.

Revolutions in Egypt , Oman , jordon bargain and others are very bad for western imposed Geo politics ,

 

In Libya it's great we can renegotiate the oil deals after ghadafis gone

[truthlogic]

Wrong.

 

I think I can see where you're coming from though - I think you've simplified things to allow you to make sense of them (nothing wrong with that, in fact it's almost always neccessary), and have drawn conclusions based on those simplifications. Unfortunately, you seem to be under the impression that the situations in Libya and Egypt are the same - the people rising up against the incumbent dictators - and therefore everything surrounding that it also the same.

 

The main difference which affects the media coverage is that Egypt is a very westernised nation, and all of the people involved in the struggles were very aware that the battle could be won and lost through the media. This resulted in both factions trying to gain control of what was being shown in Egypt and around the world. The incumbents had a significant advantage, and exercised that advantage by closing most of the worldwide's medias offices, revoking accreditation (which you need to legally operate there), and revoking broadcast licences (to the extent of blocking Aljazerra's transmissions). On top of this, there was a significant number of very rich people who's entire livelyhoods depended on there not being a regime change, and they mobilised their own forces to "put the willies up" the media, with at least one American reported being kidnapped, beaten and raped by pro-government supporters, and one BBC reporter appearing on air bleeding minutes after being released from a secret police administered beating. As a result, it became very difficult and dangerous for any of the world's media to get on the street.

 

Domestically, the state run media had a fine line to walk - it had to show that it was independant (otherwise the rioters would have turned on them), but without upsetting the incumbants. The president used this to his advantage by continuously giving people hope that he was about to stand down, but instead spending significants amount of time stressing how important he was for stability.

 

Meanwhile, over in Libya, we have Gaddafi - who's been known to be a bit of a fruitcake for several years - who has the media know-all of the Iraqi Information Minister from Iraq 2 (This Time it's Personal), using his state run media to simply reiterate that he is president, and there's nothing anyone can do about that, and anybody who disagrees with him is obviously taking drugs supplied by al quida. The people rising up against him are more media savvy, and are helping the worldwide media to broadcast from their controlled areas. In the Government controlled areas, worldwide media are escorted by Libyan authorities and are limited in their access. Neither group want the world to see them fighting, so while they're supporting the media to report their cause, they won't let them get on the front line - this all adds together to make reporting in Libya, despite the war, to be safer than in Egypt.

 

Whether or not you believe we should have started this action against Gaddafi, you can not argue that because the BBC have shown footage of homes bombed by Government forces in Libya but not in Egypt this is propaganda. If not for what I wrote above, but because the Government in Egypt never took to attacking their own people from the air.

 

Please get a sense of perspective - more people have died every day in the last two weeks in Libya at the hands of their own government than died in any of the fighting in Egypt in total. The two countries are not going through the same thing, and they will not be reported in the same manner.

 

 

 

libya is being bombed by British jets and still its allowed some access for reporters!

 

in Egypt the bbc did not even try to report from the ground or to set up thier own cams

 

then again mubarak is a friend of the west

[dosxuk]

libya is being bombed by British jets and still its allowed some access for reporters!

 

in Egypt the bbc did not even try to report from the ground or to set up thier own cams

 

then again mubarak is a friend of the west

 

The BBC had several reporting teams across Egypt during the protests, including their own cameras overlooking the square where all the big stuff happened. During the most violent parts they had their activities curtailed by the BBC for their own safety.

 

In Libya, the reporters are not on the front lines.

 

Are you still under the misguided idea that the situation in both countries is the same?

[Bulgarian]

dont know i phone do them when i copy and paste from my notes!

 

LOL - your notes, you mean various nutjob websites surely ?

[truthlogic]

The BBC had several reporting teams across Egypt during the protests, including their own cameras overlooking the square where all the big stuff happened. During the most violent parts they had their activities curtailed by the BBC for their own safety.

 

In Libya, the reporters are not on the front lines.

 

Are you still under the misguided idea that the situation in both countries is the same?

 

"in Libya, the reporters are not on the front lines."

 

you sure about that pal?

 

may be they are traveling with the rebels for FUN?

 

may be they are wearing flak jackets cuz its cold?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12931421

 

 

 

so BBC switched of its cams during Egypt unrest for its own safety?

 

 

so the bbc does not put reporters in harms way?

[truthlogic]

LOL - your notes, you mean various nutjob websites surely ?

 

it would be quite simple to prove if any of my statements are copied from any other source on the net

 

 

Have you got any ?

[CXC3000]

The only way we'll ever find out if these revolutions were backed by the US et al... is when we see what kind of leaders take their place.

 

Will they be just another (subtle) puppet replacement for the recently-departed dictators, or will they actually be on the side of the masses ?

 

If the former, then it would be pretty sick.

[Halibut]

Is this pure propaganda ?

 

We heard very little from the BBC during the long egyption REV. They could not even get reporters on the ground during the worst of it ! Never mind a investigation while UK bombs are still falling on them.

 

We get massive support for downfall of some dictators ( ghaddafi , and Pres Asad )

by use of

UN

Bombs

Special forces

Calling for prosecutions at Hague

Documentrys

News investigations*

 

*

*

 

In parts the BBC also claims that reporters were tortured by the regime,*

 

 

We get a documentry purporting that it is the truth by the Bold title.

 

*

Let's not forget west goverments wanted Ghaddafi out for decades !

Only after he decided to sell oil at his price did west put on a face of acceptance .*

We get some undesired revolutions *with regimes whom we give billions too ,*

 

May be this was great cover to sow the seeds of a typical CIA / or mi5 coup ?*( just some previous ones Iran, Guatemala ,*

 

 

Evidence of coup outside involvement special forces from uk and other nations caught and handed back in Libya.

 

 

BP biggest ever investment in libya oil!

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7033600

 

 

guess there will be a new contract written down very soon, no big percentage for the Libyans i bet!

 

You're not even sure yourself what the hell you're on about here - how the hell is anyone supposed to make sense of it?