Panorama reveals the real story behind the country’s revolution.

[CXC3000]

Talking of intervention, why haven't we bombed Bahrain or Yemen ? - for their continued killings of civilians ?

[mattleonard]

We still have weekly anti US demos in Kabul when were they last covered by our media ?

 

Well, the protests in Afghanistan have now been covered. The whole point is that the news companies have to make editorial decisions based on the relevance to their audiences. So, until late last week when some non-governmental Americans did something supremely idiotic, the protests weren't as relevant as some other things going on in the world (Libya, for instance).

 

Just because demonstrators in Kabul are saying something which you happen to agree with, does not mean that it was the relevant and newsworthy enough to feature on the news.

 

One of the reasons Libya has received more coverage is because the outcome has been up in the air for a longer period of time. Your assertions that whilst the main action was taking place in Egypt that there was little or no coverage is absurdly, patently, ludicrously false. For a matter of weeks it was the main story, with ongoing reports from Tahrir Square

[truthlogic]

Well, the protests in Afghanistan have now been covered. The whole point is that the news companies have to make editorial decisions based on the relevance to their audiences. So, until late last week when some non-governmental Americans did something supremely idiotic, the protests weren't as relevant as some other things going on in the world (Libya, for instance).

 

Just because demonstrators in Kabul are saying something which you happen to agree with, does not mean that it was the relevant and newsworthy enough to feature on the news.

 

One of the reasons Libya has received more coverage is because the outcome has been up in the air for a longer period of time. Your assertions that whilst the main action was taking place in Egypt that there was little or no coverage is absurdly, patently, ludicrously false. For a matter of weeks it was the main story, with ongoing reports from Tahrir Square

 

1, Kabul has seen anti occupation demonsatrions for years and never covered! That is a fact!

 

Egypt story was hard to hide and if it was not covered it woul have been a blatant sign of bias ! However it is how a story is told which influences the person who is watching it !

Example BBC pulled out all it's reporters and switched off it's cameras when mubaraks forces started to fire on the protestors ( FACT )

 

In Libya we have constant coverage and also time to make a panorama series while british bombs are falling ! Clear bias

 

 

Why does this supprised you?

Western Goverments have invaded , occupied , commited massive atrocities in Libya and it's neigbours as recent as the 60s

 

 

Once you read history you will know that western pre colonial influence never left the region and is always backed up by military conflict !

[donuticus]

1, Kabul has seen anti occupation demonsatrions for years and never covered! That is a fact!

 

Egypt story was hard to hide and if it was not covered it woul have been a blatant sign of bias ! However it is how a story is told which influences the person who is watching it !

Example BBC pulled out all it's reporters and switched off it's cameras when mubaraks forces started to fire on the protestors ( FACT )

 

In Libya we have constant coverage and also time to make a panorama series while british bombs are falling ! Clear bias

 

 

Why does this supprised you?

Western Goverments have invaded , occupied , commited massive atrocities in Libya and it's neigbours as recent as the 60s

 

 

Once you read history you will know that western pre colonial influence never left the region and is always backed up by military conflict !

 

Utter rot. I heard a syndicated interview with John Simpson which was being simulcast with BBC Radio 5 and he is talking about Mubarek's forces opening fire on protestors. You can also clearly hear gunshots in the background.

[dosxuk]

Utter rot. I heard a syndicated interview with John Simpson which was being simulcast with BBC Radio 5 and he is talking about Mubarek's forces opening fire on protestors. You can also clearly hear gunshots in the background.

 

And then there's this appearance by one of the BBC's own reporters covered in blood shortly being attacked by the Egyption secret police.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12308244

[truthlogic]

Utter rot. I heard a syndicated interview with John Simpson which was being simulcast with BBC Radio 5 and he is talking about Mubarek's forces opening fire on protestors. You can also clearly hear gunshots in the background.

 

bbc did have reporters on the ground in the very early days of the Egyptian Riots ( well from my count 1 )

 

amount of reporters reporting from egypt during the main violence points ( zero )

 

amount of bbc cameras rolling during this point (zero )

 

and what happened to the feed when the firing started! it got cut out

[truthlogic]

And then there's this appearance by one of the BBC's own reporters covered in blood shortly being attacked by the Egyption secret police.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12308244

 

i never knew BBC could be scared by the beating up of one reporter

 

when in iraq american made bombs were falling directly on them and they still managed to carry on filming

 

in libya they have reporters on Both sides and even have time to make a propaganda documentary justifying drooping bombs on the country!

[donuticus]

i never knew BBC could be scared by the beating up of one reporter

 

when in iraq american made bombs were falling directly on them and they still managed to carry on filming

 

in libya they have reporters on Both sides and even have time to make a propaganda documentary justifying drooping bombs on the country!

 

So we have one radio reporter and crew, plus a TV reporter and crew. That's a total of about half a dozen people. So your comment is already incorrect.

 

With regards to Libya the conflict is a much simpler one to follow. It is a more traditional conflict zone in that it is taking place over weeks/months thus giving time for news reporters the chance to embed within both sides and to give a more balanced report. With the main part of the Egypt/Mubarek uprising being completed inside 96hours after springing up pretty unexpectedly. Exactly how do you propose the journalists find and cultivate good well placed sources in that time frame while still keeping people informed?

 

If they had have gone off to find sources you would not doubt be accusing them of failing to cover events properly. I don't have any formal news background but I have worked on documentaries that had to be filmed over very short periods of time (nothing as stressful as a war either). If something unexpected happens you often had to follow your gut instinct and follow the flow.

 

No one is unbiased. A good journalist follows the movements on the ground in situations that are as fast paced as those that were in Egypt. John Simpson alongside Kate Adie is regarded as one of the finest war correspondents the Western World has ever produced. I am unsure as to which BBC correspondents are currently in Libya but no doubt they will have their own sources within the locality with whom they liaise to get the latest information.

 

Also please bare in mind we are talking about people here. Journalists are not soldiers they generally are not used to being indiscriminately shot at and fear will no doubt affect them as it would any of us. John Simpson particularly has reason to be unnerved after being hit by mortar fire in Kosovo. Please also take in what happened to Frank Gardiner a fellow BBC employee who was shot several times in Iraq and is now paralysed. His situation may well have influenced the BBC's decision to withdraw staff (I'm not even sure they did).

 

Your comments appear more to be a desperate need to be seen to be attacking the establishment rather than through any actual valid well researched points.

 

You appear to be nothing more than a contrarian.

[dosxuk]

the BBC's decision to withdraw staff (I'm not even sure they did).

 

Like all media in Egypt, when things started getting dangerous, they basically became restricted to their hotels, and only allowed out with suitable protections in place, making it impossible to be sat in the middle of the square where the protests were happening filming people being shot (which it appears is exactly what truthlogic thinks an unbiased broadcaster should be showing us at 6 o'clock while we watch on in awe with out fish & chips).

 

There are numerous examples of reporters who decided to go out and get stories ending up having to be rescued or blag themselves out of a situation, including one british reporter who ended up having to be escorted from the British Embassy back to his hotel after being stopped by Mubarak supporters looking for the media, and him getting away by claiming he was just a tourist looking for the Embassy (and was then taken there by those supporters).

 

"truthlogic", I've said this before, the situation in Egypt and Libya is NOT the same. Stop expecting them to be treated the same.

 

Oh, and in case it has escaped you, the Panorama special was virtually all filmed before the UN started bombing the place.

[callippo]

the BBC presumably tried to cover Egypt as best they could but they were blown out of the water by their rivals that time.

 

I was in the Philippines at that time and the best rolling coverage, by far, was CNN's. Next best, but a long way behind, was Al-Jazeera. The BBC didn't cover themselves in glory on the coverage that's true, but it's not a sign of any NWO 'conspiracy' - presumably by a bunch of bankers that walk around with Stars of David embossed on their underwear in true Protocols of the Elders of Zion style, otherwise CNN would have presumably have been in on it, and their coverage was brilliant.

 

as for the not interviewing Egyptian government spokesmen on tv, that's ridiculous because none of the other news networks were able to get even quotes, never mind interviews, from them either. The Egyptian government, correctly as it turned out, had other things to worry about the foreign news networks.