Foreign crime wave!

[spindrift]

The paper does not compare the number of arrests of people who enter something other than British into the ‘nationality’ box on their arrest from in the responses they get to the number of people born overseas in the areas they have replies from. Instead, they compare it with the whole country. this provides The Mail a headline to write, no matter that it's a load of old trousers and playing around with statistics.

 

Say a drunk American committed the only criminal act in a sleepy Cornish village one month. The local press could report

 

"100% of Much Chuffing In The Meadow crime committed by foreigners!"

 

 

Technically accurate, useless to draw any conclusion from.

[mj.scuba]

The paper does not compare the number of arrests of people who enter something other than British into the ‘nationality’ box on their arrest from in the responses they get to the number of people born overseas in the areas they have replies from. Instead, they compare it with the whole country. this provides The Mail a headline to write, no matter that it's a load of old trousers and playing around with statistics.

 

Say a drunk American committed the only criminal act in a sleepy Cornish village one month. The local press could report

 

"100% of Much Chuffing In The Meadow crime committed by foreigners!"

 

 

Technically accurate, useless to draw any conclusion from.

 

Spindrift you are using an article from August 2009 from Mail Watch.

[spindrift]

Where in your link does it say they've changed their way of dealing with statistics?

 

It actually says:

In the worst-affected rural areas, arrests of non-Britons have soared nearly four-fold since 2006.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373210/Foreign-arrests-double-just-THREE-years-immigration-soars.html#ixzz1IeEz81EH

 

Non Britons are anyone who doesn't enter British, or leaves it blank.

 

Rubbish reporting, dishonest headline, and you fell for it!

 

I mean, The Daily Mail? Are you serious?!

[mj.scuba]

Where in your link does it say they've changed their way of dealing with statistics?

 

It actually says:

In the worst-affected rural areas, arrests of non-Britons have soared nearly four-fold since 2006.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373210/Foreign-arrests-double-just-THREE-years-immigration-soars.html#ixzz1IeEz81EH

 

Non Britons are anyone who doesn't enter British, or leaves it blank.

 

Rubbish reporting, dishonest headline, and you fell for it!

 

I mean, The Daily Mail? Are you serious?!

 

Not just Daily Mail, Telegraph are reporting it too.

 

Where is the evidence that null entries are counted as foreign?

[spindrift]

What's the percentage of foreign nationals in relation to the total number of crime committed?

 

I've just been on Durham Police website, and found they report the total number of crimes as 36,548. If each one of the foreign nationals arrested is guilty of the crime they've been arrested for, that puts the percentage of crime committed by people who weren't born here at 1.3%.

 

The Met total of crimes is 826,508 - if each one of the foreign nations commit the crimes they're arrested for, foreign nationals commit 7.1% of all crime.

 

According to the 2001 census, 32.5% of people living in Greater London were not born in the United Kingdom, so foreign nationals are vastly underrepresented in crime stats for the Met.

 

Do some journalism, DM, instead of scaremongering.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373210/Foreign-arrests-double-just-THREE-years-immigration-soars.html#ixzz1IeLLbxCq

[mj.scuba]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375648/EU-migrants-commit-500-crimes-week-deported.html

 

27,000 convicted of crimes per year, just by foreign EU nationals. Convicted - these are more serious crimes than simply warrant an arrest followed by a caution. Only those sentanced to more than two years imprisonment can be deported though.

 

BUT IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR US REMEMBER!

 

 

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[Kaimani]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375648/EU-migrants-commit-500-crimes-week-deported.html

 

27,000 convicted of crimes per year, just by foreign EU nationals. Convicted - these are more serious crimes than simply warrant an arrest followed by a caution. Only those sentanced to more than two years imprisonment can be deported though.

BUT IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR US REMEMBER!

 

 

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that is not so, M. any sentence can see you landing in your home country if the home offices decides to do so. even without a sentence, or even being in trouble with the law, if they decide 'its against the national interest' or that 'you have become a public nuisance or liability' they can send you packing.

[andyofborg]

Sh Sh...... Do,nt mention the Elephant in the room.

 

it's ok, someone has nicked it

[Kaimani]

it's ok, someone has nicked it

 

so sorry, needed it to feed my whole village. i'll bring back the bones.

[ab6262]

Usually, at this time of year, the Mail is busy writing up stories on the back of newly released immigration figures. Last year, we were treated to stories about how many white people were leaving the country, the year before we had big spreads about the number of UK citizens leaving while immigration figures were up. This year, though, the immigration figures were largely positive from a Mail point of view. More foreigners leaving, fewer arriving, fewer UK citizens emigrating and so on. The paper had to focus on the number of children born to mothers who were from overseas to frighten us with instead.

 

So today’s ‘One out of every five killers is an immigrant‘ looks a little out of place. That may be because it takes three weeks to get a reply from the police to an FOI request and the hack who wrote it was anticipating rather different immigration figures to be published when he made the request.

 

Whatever the reason for the story, it’s an example of a very common and very misleading tactic that the Mail (along with the Express) engages in when it wants to make us frightened of foreign criminals. You can see the same tactic used in ‘One in six rapes committed by foreign attackers, shock police figures reveal‘ from April this year (although that story was churned directly from the Daily Express) and ‘Foreigners carry out one in every five killings in Britain, police figures reveal‘ from April 2008. You’ll notice that the last article there reveals that the ‘one in five’ figure isn’t actually news, since it was reported over a year ago.

 

Here’s how the tactic works.

 

First, the paper contacts every police force in England & Wales and asks for stats showing how many of one crime or another has been committed by foreigners. Then the paper then calculates how this translates into percentages across the UK.

 

Here’s why the tactic is misleading.

 

1. Police forces don’t have completely reliable figures for how many foreigners commit crime. All they have is a box for ‘nationality’ on arrest forms, which are voluntary and never checked.

 

2. Not every police force responds, but the Metropolitan Police always does. The Metropolitan Police arrests more people – and more people who enter something other than British into the ‘nationality’ box on their arrest form than any other force. The current Mail article talks about there being 371 individuals accused of murder or manslaughter last year, with 233 of them being in the Metropolitan Police area. This will completely skew the numbers for the rest of the country, even if they’re proportionate for the London area.

 

3. The paper does not compare the number of arrests of people who enter something other than British into the ‘nationality’ box on their arrest from in the responses they get to the number of people born overseas in the areas they have replies from. Instead, they compare it with the whole country.

 

To illustrate this with an extreme hypothetical example – London has an immigrant population of around 30% and arrests more people for murder or manslaughter than any other police force. Let’s say that in one year, the number of homicides in London that people who enter a non-British nationality in their arrest form are completely proportionate to the number of people born overseas in the area – 30%. In that same year, there are no homicides anywhere else in England & Wales. We now have a scary ‘Foreigners commit a third of killings in the UK but only make up 10% of the poplulation’ story. The trouble is – that’s completely proportionate in the actual area those killings took place.

 

Now, the paper does state that “In London, almost 40 per cent of those in such cases in the past year were from overseas, or of unknown origin,” which would be disproportionate were it not for the fact that the paper has decided to add everyone who didn’t enter anything into the ‘nationality’ box. As the article later reveals, including these people makes the total in London higher than the actual total across the country, which is impossible. Could it be that the hack has included this figure rather than the actual figure because the real one would make it too obvious that this article is misleading?

 

This ‘get an FOI request from police forces’ tactic will always return a scary looking overall average. Great for frightening the readers with – not so great for actually giving an accurate idea of how many crimes were committed by people from overseas.

 

http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/2009/08/31/using-misleading-crime-stats-to-make-readers-frightened-of-foreigners/

 

The Mail do it because people WANT to believe this load of old guff. Gullible racists lap up this kind of rubbish.

 

 

sad.

 

 

another Daily Mail hater with rose tinted specs on!!!