My so called government.

[danot]

no, their belief system works for them. the western system works for the west. just look at what a mess it turned out when superior holier-than-thou western types went all over the world trying to impose their beliefs on others. what we need to do is to understand them and get them to understand us.

Some have tried doing just that. They got their heads cut off for the trouble.

[danot]

Ermmm no - that assumes that all muslims are inherently radical and prone to becoming terrorists which is simply not the case.

Correction. Your argument assumes all muslims are radical and prone to becoming terrorists. Otherwise why defend our governments decision to spend £650million on educating them so they stop attacking us?

 

Originally posted by evildrneil

It was largely the madrasah system of Islamic schools which was implicated in the radicalisation of young Pakistanis. The madrasas that offered any sort of military education have been closed down by the Pakistani government as requested by the forces in Afghanistan. This being the case is it unreasonable that as one of the countries requesting the closure of these schools we pay for some sort of replacement?

Yes, it is unreasonable, we're up to our neck in <REMOVED>, we can't afford it.

 

 

 

Originallt posted by evildrneil

Actually, I would say that education is a large element of the problem.

Are you suggesting that all Islamic radicals are uneducated?... are you really that dim?

[Kaimani]

Some have tried doing just that. They got their heads cut off for the trouble.

 

we did the same to them and many more, and, some would argue, still do. tit for tat, fear or falling back to the same old patterns that are largely responsible for this whole mess is not the best solution.

one sure fire way of antagonizing someone is saying 'what you know and have known from the beginning of time is wrong. you're a fool. listen to us. we're know better.' that doesn't work when 'they do it to us. it won't work the other way round.

 

and we can't just ignore it. both 'sides' have lost so much to the other side that just disengaging is out of the question.

not saying we'll all hold hands and live happily ever after, but, unless, we want the situation to get a whole lot worse there has to be a better way of dealing with 'the problem' than what we're doing now.

[Kaimani]

Correction. Your argument assumes all muslims are radical and prone to becoming terrorists. Otherwise why defend our governments decision to spend £650million on educating them so they stop attacking us?

 

Yes, it is unreasonable, we're up to our neck in <REMOVED>, we can't afford it.

 

 

 

Are you suggesting that all Islamic radicals are uneducated?... are you really that dim?

 

i think, as you know he was saying:), the money is spent on 'educating' the ones that are brainwashed, at risk of the same or those without another choice but to join up. NOT all. but you knew that's what he was saying.

 

the assumption that all radical are uneducated is not implied by the fact that money goes to educate people at risk of being radicalized. the idea is simply that, for the most part, on both sides, 'education' is what's missing.

 

we're already too deep into all this to cut and run now. if we can't afford it now god help us if we just cut and run.

after the bombs we've dropped, the wars, the puppet regimes, the refugees we've created (not all our fault but try explaining that to the bereaved and displaced) the terrorism we've suffered through so far will be put in the shade by what'll come i think.

[ricgem2002]

Ermmm no - that assumes that all muslims are inherently radical and prone to becoming terrorists which is simply not the case. It was largely the madrasah system of Islamic schools which was implicated in the radicalisation of young Pakistanis. The madrasas that offered any sort of military education have been closed down by the Pakistani government as requested by the forces in Afghanistan. This being the case is it unreasonable that as one of the countries requesting the closure of these schools we pay for some sort of replacement?

 

 

 

Actually, I would say that education is a large element of the problem.

so the pakistani government orders the closure of these schools yet we still let them operate in this country is it a human rights issue here

[Rupert_Baehr]

But the British government doesn't spend one penny on madrasas in the UK.

 

It's 'multi culti' - If 'they' want madrasas and 'they' are prepared to pay for them, why shouldn't 'they' have them?

[andikay]

i think, as you know he was saying:), the money is spent on 'educating' the ones that are brainwashed, at risk of the same or those without another choice but to join up. NOT all. but you knew that's what he was saying.

 

the assumption that all radical are uneducated is not implied by the fact that money goes to educate people at risk of being radicalized. the idea is simply that, for the most part, on both sides, 'education' is what's missing.

 

we're already too deep into all this to cut and run now. if we can't afford it now god help us if we just cut and run.

after the bombs we've dropped, the wars, the puppet regimes, the refugees we've created (not all our fault but try explaining that to the bereaved and displaced) the terrorism we've suffered through so far will be put in the shade by what'll come i think.

 

If lack of a good education is the problem with radicalization how do we account for this?

 

The bombers

The four men who carried out the 7 July bombings were young Britons who had led apparently ordinary lives. Their profiles are below.

 

Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Edgware Road bomber

A married father-of-one and teaching assistant, Mohammad Sidique Khan was the oldest of the bombers and is thought to have taken the lead role.

[Kaimani]

If lack of a good education is the problem with radicalization how do we account for this?

 

i don't mean education in the sense of a pharmacy, media studies, medicine etc degree, or even A level. that means very little when it comes to common sense and tolerance.

i mean education in the fact that there are different ways of making yourself heard. to question what you're 'taught' and make up your own mind. to read the good book and let it tell you what it will, not what some nut thinks it says(whatever your holy book might be). education to know and understand why other believe what they believe and that just because their beliefs are different to yours don't make them wrong...

like i said, it's education that's needed badly on both sides...but seeing as we're busy bombing 'them' and what not, it seems urgent on their part...for our sake.

[danot]

we did the same to them and many more, and, some would argue, still do. tit for tat, fear or falling back to the same old patterns that are largely responsible for this whole mess is not the best solution.

one sure fire way of antagonizing someone is saying 'what you know and have known from the beginning of time is wrong. you're a fool. listen to us. we're know better.' that doesn't work when 'they do it to us. it won't work the other way round.

 

and we can't just ignore it. both 'sides' have lost so much to the other side that just disengaging is out of the question.

not saying we'll all hold hands and live happily ever after, but, unless, we want the situation to get a whole lot worse there has to be a better way of dealing with 'the problem' than what we're doing now.

Agreed, but how will the £650million that we sent them help us to acheive that? Educated unhinged muslims are just as likely to adopt radical views towards the west as uneducated muslims are.

[danny11]

just found some cash in hand jobs, they give me nothing i give them nothing as dellboy said