Cameron's immigration speech

[Wildcat]

And some people might actually believe that.

 

How overpopulated need we be before it's a problem? How much unemployment should we have before we think there are too many people and not enough jobs? How high must house prices and rental costs be before we acknowledge there are too many people for the housing available?

How long do the NHS and school waiting lists need to be?

 

We would have to have considerably higher population than now to be overpopulated.

 

How much unemployment.... it depends on the type of unemployment, the type of jobs and what the economy needs. There is no simple answer, the question is too complex to answer in detailed terms other than after considering statistical economic reports. It is worth noting however as I said earlier there is not a finite number of jobs in an economy. If vacancies in the UK go unfilled because there is no one skilled enough locally to do the work, then businesses have to offshore their work and not just those vacancies they can't fill, but also the support roles, those jobs they can fill. Caps on immigration damage the economy and reduce jobs for all. Businesses in London are already saying they are being damaged by the existing immigration caps and are having to shift work abroad.

 

If housing prices and rental costs are too high then perhaps we need to look at building some more (get those polish builders back?)? or look to do what we can to boost the economy and wages such that they aren't unaffordable.

 

The relationship between NHS waiting lists and immigration is odd one to make since there are so many employed in the NHS and immigrants are net contributors to the economy since they are usually of working age they pay taxes and don't use those facilities as much. If you want to reduce waiting lists then stopping immigration will have the opposite effect.

[Badlittlepup]

I think the criticism of him that the speech would incite racism is actually dangerous. There are clearly massive public concerns about immigration but the left wing simply try to shut down any debate branding it racist.

 

If major parties can't discuss the concerns ordinary people have they're going to turn to extremist parties like the BNP in the which would be no good for anyone.

[LordChaverly]

We would have to have considerably higher population than now to be overpopulated.

 

How much unemployment.... it depends on the type of unemployment, the type of jobs and what the economy needs. There is no simple answer, the question is too complex to answer in detailed terms other than after considering statistical economic reports. It is worth noting however as I said earlier there is not a finite number of jobs in an economy. If vacancies in the UK go unfilled because there is no one skilled enough locally to do the work, then businesses have to offshore their work and not just those vacancies they can't fill, but also the support roles, those jobs they can fill. Caps on immigration damage the economy and reduce jobs for all. Businesses in London are already saying they are being damaged by the existing immigration caps and are having to shift work abroad.

 

If housing prices and rental costs are too high then perhaps we need to look at building some more (get those polish builders back?)? or look to do what we can to boost the economy and wages such that they aren't unaffordable.

 

The relationship between NHS waiting lists and immigration is odd one to make since there are so many employed in the NHS and immigrants are net contributors to the economy since they are usually of working age they pay taxes and don't use those facilities as much. If you want to reduce waiting lists then stopping immigration will have the opposite effect.

 

1. England, where the vast majority of migrants end up. is one of the most densely populated countries in the world. We are without doubt overpopulated, and facetious drivel about 'building more houses' to accommodate the new migrants will not solve this problem, any more than the equally factious argument about 'building new roads' will solve the problem of congestion.

 

2. As for unemployment. you ignore the fact that migrants are demand creating as well as supply filling, so it is ludicrous to argue that they are necessary to fill in employment gaps. Migration for this purpose enters the realm of the economics of the madhouse.

 

3. Regarding the NHS, you ignore the fact that migrants tend to be of child bearing age and therefore do put disproportionate demands on the NHS, as well as on our education system and other welfare services. Moreover, they will in due course become old themselves, so again will put pressure on the NHS.

 

I wonder if you actually believe the farrago of tired, old and demonstrably false cliches about the benign effects of mass immigration, or whether you are having us all on.

[cressida]

I think the criticism of him that the speech would incite racism is actually dangerous. There are clearly massive public concerns about immigration but the left wing simply try to shut down any debate branding it racist.

 

If major parties can't discuss the concerns ordinary people have they're going to turn to extremist parties like the BNP in the which would be no good for anyone.

 

I agree entirely

[Mecky]

This one, which you quoted but didn't answer:

 

You might want to refer to post 92, this time get you mom to help you read through before replying.

 

BTW should all questions end with a question mark?

[Mecky]

I think the criticism of him that the speech would incite racism is actually dangerous. There are clearly massive public concerns about immigration but the left wing simply try to shut down any debate branding it racist.

 

If major parties can't discuss the concerns ordinary people have they're going to turn to extremist parties like the BNP in the which would be no good for anyone.

 

Why would they?

 

BTW if the left would class it as racist and you appear to be right-wing, what does that make you?

[crookesey]

Let's be honest, we all know how the poll is going to turn out as evident by the many posts on these forums since their creation.

 

Meaning that if it doesn't go how you would wish, then it's wrong.

[BritPat]

We would have to have considerably higher population than now to be overpopulated.

 

How much unemployment.... it depends on the type of unemployment, the type of jobs and what the economy needs. There is no simple answer, the question is too complex to answer in detailed terms other than after considering statistical economic reports. It is worth noting however as I said earlier there is not a finite number of jobs in an economy. If vacancies in the UK go unfilled because there is no one skilled enough locally to do the work, then businesses have to offshore their work and not just those vacancies they can't fill, but also the support roles, those jobs they can fill. Caps on immigration damage the economy and reduce jobs for all. Businesses in London are already saying they are being damaged by the existing immigration caps and are having to shift work abroad.

 

If housing prices and rental costs are too high then perhaps we need to look at building some more (get those polish builders back?)? or look to do what we can to boost the economy and wages such that they aren't unaffordable.

 

The relationship between NHS waiting lists and immigration is odd one to make since there are so many employed in the NHS and immigrants are net contributors to the economy since they are usually of working age they pay taxes and don't use those facilities as much. If you want to reduce waiting lists then stopping immigration will have the opposite effect.

 

You've jumped the shark this time ! Mass unemployment in spite of an Infinite supply of jobs.

[evildrneil]

I have an IQ above 60 and know that Eastbank's comment holds a lot of truth, unless you can prove different?

 

Seeing as the eastern europeans come from the A8 countries who cannot claim any benefits until they have worked in the country for 12 months (at least until the 30th of this month) it pretty much shows that Eastbank's comments hold no truth...

[BasilRathbon]

That fence could do with some Creosote.