boyfriday Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 We have no such excuse, there really is no excuse for mass immigration. I think the reductions on approved applications may be a reflection on that and evidence that the system's working. Here's a link from the Borders Agency website on the 15th March detailing changes to immigration policy http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2012/march/43-changes-rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 If what you are saying is true (I'd suggest not entriely), that there is a skills shortage or gap, then we already have a ready made 'pool' of workers here called the 'unemployed'. All we need is to provide these people with the training to fill the gaps. While we are experiencing mass immigration to this country how can we ever hope to fill these 'gaps'. The reason Australia has to do this is because only 20 million people live in Australia. There workforce is much smaller and decentralised. We have no such excuse, there really is no excuse for mass immigration. The benefits system & healthcare system rely on workers to fund the elderly. If people don't have enough kids, then in 40 years time there is nobody to pay for their retirement & care. That is what has happened here & why we need a large number of immigrants to fill the gap. It's only recently got back up to an average of 2 children per woman, for the first time since 1972, because immigrants tend to have larger families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The benefits system & healthcare system rely on workers to fund the elderly. If people don't have enough kids, then in 40 years time there is nobody to pay for their retirement & care. That is what has happened here & why we need a large number of immigrants to fill the gap. I've tried to interpret this, but it still makes no sense. The welfare system and NHS rely on workers to fund the elderly? so what you are essentially saying is in 40 years time not enough people will be working to fund care homes, working in pastoral care etc. therefore we need more immigration? Need I say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White dog Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think the reductions on approved applications may be a reflection on that and evidence that the system's working. Here's a link from the Borders Agency website on the 15th March detailing changes to immigration policy http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2012/march/43-changes-rules In a word tokenism to keep the sheep quiet. UKBA is not and never has been fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Would it be too much to ask for a link, perchance?All over the news last week or week before last, with a Panorama (or equivalent investigative piece) special. I remember seeing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I've tried to interpret this, but it still makes no sense. The welfare system and NHS rely on workers to fund the elderly? so what you are essentially saying is in 40 years time not enough people will be working to fund care homes, working in pastoral care etc. therefore we need more immigration? Need I say more? OK, taxes pay for the NHS, the state pension, etc. If there aren't enough people paying enough taxes & more elderly as a proportion, then it becomes harder to fund these things. How else do you think they're paid for? Do you think your NI gets saved in a pot until you retire? If we stopped immigration & the birth rate remains low then we'll have a shrinking ageing population that we can't afford to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White dog Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 OK, taxes pay for the NHS, the state pension, etc. If there aren't enough people paying enough taxes & more elderly as a proportion, then it becomes harder to fund these things. How else do you think they're paid for? Do you think your NI gets saved in a pot until you retire? If we stopped immigration & the birth rate remains low then we'll have a shrinking ageing population that we can't afford to support. So put a million kids on the dole? While at the same time importing millions more? Who does the help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 So put a million kids on the dole? While at the same time importing millions more? Who does the help? The immigration happened before there were a million kids on the dole, when we still lived in a country that foreigners wanted to move to. Even with all the kids working, there aren't enough, because the birth rate was too low for the last 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 OK, taxes pay for the NHS, the state pension, etc. If there aren't enough people paying enough taxes & more elderly as a proportion, then it becomes harder to fund these things. How else do you think they're paid for? Do you think your NI gets saved in a pot until you retire? If we stopped immigration & the birth rate remains low then we'll have a shrinking ageing population that we can't afford to support. You've never heard of soilent green obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White dog Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The immigration happened before there were a million kids on the dole, when we still lived in a country that foreigners wanted to move to. Even with all the kids working, there aren't enough, because the birth rate was too low for the last 40 years. Look, do not be taken in by this lie. Some immigration is fine, net immigration is fine. What we have is insane. It needs to end now, but it will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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