Yuri Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Everybody wants immigration stopped or reduced, yet the issue is ignored and allowed to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Everybody wants immigration stopped or reduced, yet the issue is ignored and allowed to get worse. Hague and Ian Duncan Smith stood on an electoral platform dedicated to reducing immigration. They lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuri Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Hague and Ian Duncan Smith stood on an electoral platform dedicated to reducing immigration. They lost. Did you read camerons speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Did you read camerons speech? Yep, and Cameron's nine points behind in the polls. Tories love divide-and-rule, it doesn't seem to work in this country, people are less interested in Daily Mail twaddle about how a Polish man ate seven swans and swanned around bold as brass with feathers round his mouth and the police did NOTHING, than just quietly getting on with their neighbours, wherever they come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Hague and Ian Duncan Smith stood on an electoral platform dedicated to reducing immigration. They lost. I seem to remember Hague's campaign was more about saving the pound and rejecting the euro. He might have lost the election, but he won the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 A lot of immigrants do work that indigenous Brits would refuse to do, but the notion they're uneducated is wrong, most immigrants are quite well educated and less likely to claim benefits than others. We need them, desperately. Our pensions rely on them. The reality is that the vast majority of immigrants are on low/minimum wage and will collectively make a net negative contribution to the coffers. The notion that these people will be paying our pensions is nonsense. Labour gave us an immigration Ponzi scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 The reality is that the vast majority of immigrants are on low/minimum wage Not true at all. UK studies find that immigration has small impact on average wages but more significant impacts along the wage distribution: low-waged workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain Empirical research on the labour market effects of immigration in the UK suggests that immigration has relatively small effects on average wages but more significant effects along the wage distribution, i.e. on low, medium and high paid workers. Focusing on the period 1997-2005 when the UK experienced significant labour immigration (see Migration Observatory Briefing on Migrants in the Labour Market), Dustmann, Frattini and Preston (2008) find that an increase in the number of migrants corresponding to one percent of the UK-born working-age population resulted in an increase in average wages of 0.2 to 0.3 percent. Another study, for the period 2000-2007, found that a one percentage point increase in the share of migrants in the UK’s working-age population lowers the average wage by 0.3 percent (Reed and Latorre 2009). These studies, which relate to different time periods, thus reach opposing conclusions but they agree that the effects of immigration on averages wages are relatively small. http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/labour-market-effects-immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Not true at all. http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/labour-market-effects-immigration Doesn’t the first sentence confirm what Zamo wrote to be correct, in that immigration lowers the low wages but doesn’t have any impact on the medium and high wages? If you increase the low wage workforce, wages will decrease, which seems to be proved in your quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 If a million people migrate to the UK, who is going to sell them food and clothes, build them houses, teach their children? When the population is larger there is more demand for workers. Take the largest single group of new arrivals- Poles. The evidence for A8 migrants in the UK suggests that in each fiscal year since the 2004 EU accession, these migrants have made a positive contribution to UK public finance. While A8 migrants work mostly in the lower wage sector, they tend to have high labour force participation rates and employment rates, a fact that offsets the impact of their lower wages http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 If a million people migrate to the UK, who is going to sell them food and clothes, build them houses, teach their children? When the population is larger there is more demand for workers. Take the largest single group of new arrivals- Poles. http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk When the population increases, demand increases which forces prices higher and services to be stretched to the point they find it difficult to cope. This was evident when many councils and schools complained that they couldn’t cope with the influx of immigrants over the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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