Religion’s role in gender discrimination?

[quisquose]

No one can say that the Christian religion these days discriminates against women.

However we're all still waiting for the Muslim religion to catch up

 

You claimed the exact same in post #179.

 

I replied to that in post #218 with the following link:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/woman-attempted-suicide-pregnant-accused

 

You do understand how the religious right in the US is attempting, and in many places succeeding, to undermine women's rights don't you? You do live there after all.

 

http://skepchick.org/2011/05/the-secular-movements-position-on-womens-rights/

 

"The Christian religion discriminates against women, even these days."

There said it!

[Streamline]

You claimed the exact same in post #179.

 

I replied to that in post #218 with the following link:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/woman-attempted-suicide-pregnant-accused

 

You do understand how the religious right in the US is attempting, and in many places succeeding, to undermine women's rights don't you? You do live there after all.

 

http://skepchick.org/2011/05/the-secular-movements-position-on-womens-rights/

 

"The Christian religion discriminates against women, even these days."

There said it!

 

 

 

Can't say it believes in Men's right either being that so many more have suffered under it..

[Suffragette1]

Yep.

 

Anyway, hello Suffragette1, not chatted in a while. You might be interested in this article by Rebecca Watson (who I've met) on the secular movement's position on women's rights, and how the religious right in the US is determined to restrict them:

 

http://skepchick.org/2011/05/the-secular-movements-position-on-womens-rights/

 

 

 

Applying John Stuart Mill's Harm Principle; If you're a woman, and you want to wear a sack-cloth, if you want to stay at home and be subservient to men, then you absolutely can. However, if you're a man, or another woman, you don't get to demand that women act in this way.

 

Hello quisquose:wave:, thanks very much for that.

 

I totally agree with you, if a woman, or man for that matter, wishes to shroud themselves in some body covering garment, stay at home, then good luck to them. The issue I have is when choice is removed, something many fail to grasp as being the basic tenet of the feminist movement - choice. As you say, no one should dictate to anyone how they dress or what they do.

 

Irish Church's Forgotten Victims Take Case to U.N.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/world/europe/25iht-abuse25.html?_r=3

 

 

 

The last Magdalene laundry was closed as recently as 1996, and 155 bodies were found when one was sold to a property developer in 1993!

 

Imprisonment, torture, abuse and slavery ... for the 'crime' of having sex, being flirtatious, an unmarried mother, or mentally disabled. I never realised how evil these places were. And where was the equivalent for men?

 

Shocking, absolutely shocking.

 

Absolutely and utterly horrific and yet more evidence, if it were needed, that women have always been discriminated against and even abused and tortured by the delightful unHoly Trinity of the Abrahamic 3.

 

I realised how utterly evil these places were but had no idea that one had still be in existence as recently as 1996.

[Suffragette1]

Far more men are killed as a result of violence/rules/laws, so what point are you trying to make?

 

How many (rules/laws) are sanctioned by religion and/or enshrined in some religious framework/code of honour? Aside from homosexuality, where in some countries the execution of male homosexuals is still practised, the double standards of different rules applied to men and women is the issue as far as religion is concerned.

[quisquose]

Just been listening to Johann Hari talking about the dangers of liberal pandering to Islamic fundamentalism in the name of multiculturalism, and how it has got out of hand in Germany.

 

Anyway, he mentioned a case from 2002 which I had not heard of before.

 

A 14 year old schoolgirl wanted to go on a school trip with the rest of her friends. but her Muslim father would not permit it because she would be travelling further from home than the distance a camel can travel in a day. Something a wife or daughter cannot do in his fantasy world.

 

The school, to their credit, took the matter to court. Unbelievably, the German court prioritised the father's religious beliefs ahead of the girl's rights to travel alone, and said her 15 year old brother must travel with her. Even more unbelievably, the court explained it's decision by stating that it is not unreasonable to expect a retarded person to be accompanied on a trip, so it must be the case with a Muslim girl where there is a fear that she could lose her headscarf.

 

Anyway, searching for more on this story, I find that Johann Hari has written an interesting article called, "How multiculturalism is betraying women".

 

http://www.johannhari.com/2007/04/29/how-multiculturalism-is-betraying-women

[Kthebean]

Thats an interesting article I do like Johann Hari.

 

Sadly what I know to be true is that many people would not come to the same conclusion in the final paragraph:

 

We desperately need to empower Muslim women to reinterpret the Koran in less literalist and savage ways, or to leave their religion all together, as they wish. But multiculturalism hobbles them before they even begin, by saying they should stick to the 'authentic' culture represented by the imams.

 

and instead conclude with

 

Look how these savages treat their women, they should not be allowed in our civilised country, where we treat our own women with respect.

 

Many people do not give a crap about how muslim women are treated unless it fits in with their own agenda. See: Afghanistan, Iraq.

[Suffragette1]

Thats an interesting article I do like Johann Hari.

 

Sadly what I know to be true is that many people would not come to the same conclusion in the final paragraph:

 

 

 

and instead conclude with

 

 

 

Many people do not give a crap about how muslim women are treated unless it fits in with their own agenda. See: Afghanistan, Iraq.

 

I too like Johann Hari, good article quiquose, which I have read before.

 

I would go one step further and suggest that some would conclude:

 

These people are savages and as such their women deserve this treatment. They don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us as they're too backward.

Then there are those utterly blinkered and misguided so called liberals who embrace cultural relativism even when it's at the expense of human rights which in my view, should be absolute and universally applied.

[Harleyman]

You claimed the exact same in post #179.

 

I replied to that in post #218 with the following link:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/woman-attempted-suicide-pregnant-accused

 

You do understand how the religious right in the US is attempting, and in many places succeeding, to undermine women's rights don't you? You do live there after all.

 

http://skepchick.org/2011/05/the-secular-movements-position-on-womens-rights/

 

"The Christian religion discriminates against women, even these days."

There said it!

 

 

These links and the stories hardly represent any threat to women's rights.

Roe versus Wade is here to stay regardless of how hard the religious right attempt to undermine it and the religious right are very much the boogymen under the bed. They are a noisy vocal minority who get far too much attention from the media

 

My post 179 was a comment on past discrimination against women