Is the BBC obsessed with evolution ?

[truthlogic]

You can't debunk someone who isn't making a claim, and since you were the one who made a claim, you must have debunked your own claims. Why bother posting if you are then going to debunk your own claims

 

 

 

He asked you to debunk the claims made in those articles, which you have not done.

 

 

 

Again, showing your lack of scientific knowledge. There is no such thing as "scientific fact" and no scientists will ever say that any piece of scientific detail is "fact" or indeed that any piece of scientific information might not one day be disproved.

 

Auto how can I take you seriously ? The very best you could do was scream and call me a liar when I presented the mock child sacrifices at bohmian grove !

With out even trying to explain or express your self you even moded titles just Because you did not agree with subjects listed ,

 

 

Now yes I have debunked people like halibut , vid pro, longcol and others on my illuminati thread !

Evey subject raised by me could not be disproven !

 

See last comment below :

 

think my point has been made .

 

I offered proff via MBNC reporter sound bites , which are talking about the illuminati , which has confirmed thier existence .

 

The best debunk any of you can come with is claiming that they are referring to some another entity or that in is mentioned on another context ,*

I then *have asked several times please tell me if I am wrong which context do you think they say the name illuminati ? *

 

Guess no one can answer ,

 

You all then attemepted to call me a liar after I educated you to the fact that proffesor brian cox had said a simple statement which lead to Karis proving me correct .

 

 

I was right about the number 666 on £20 notes,*

 

About madonna being into khabala,

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Right about tupac rapping about them , right about Naz and Jayz being freemasons*

 

about sirius ( the dog star ) being worshiped by THEM ( which Really earns it's own thread )

 

Then having new users ask me the same question is Really quite silly of us to go through it again.*

[HeadingNorth]

The very best you could do was scream and call me a liar when I presented the mock child sacrifices at bohmian grove !

 

That was because you were lying. Remember?

 

 

Now yes I have debunked people like halibut , vid pro, longcol and others on my illuminati thread !

Evey subject raised by me could not be disproven !

 

Failure to disprove them is irrelevant. Your claims fail unless you provide proof.

[HeadingNorth]

Have the community you just used...

 

He hasn't used a community! Each one of those links to a specific individual group of scientists.

[truthlogic]

Maybe you should do a little research yourself before so patronisingly telling others to do so.

 

The Cambrian explosion is not as you claim "When life appeared on earth" the Cambrian explosion is a period tens of millions of years long about 500 millions ago in which there was a relatively rapid 'explosion' in the variety of life on earth.

 

Life on earth existed for over 3 billion years before the Cambrian explosion.

 

You are out by over 3,000,000,000 years, this is not a trivial error.

 

This should be very easy to prove me wrong ,

 

3 billion years before Cambrian expolosion : which fossils do you have in your back pocket this old ?

 

Lol

 

The fossil record is our only hard rock solid EVIDANCE of the past : :-)

[HeadingNorth]

This should be very easy to prove me wrong ,

 

3 billion years before Cambrian expolosion which fossils do you have in your back pocket this old ?

 

I don't have a back pocket in these trousers, but plenty of universities can show you stromatolite samples that date back almost three and a half thousand million years.

 

If you want to date them yourself, the same universities might even enrol you on a course that teaches you how to test the date of ancient rocks by using radioactive decay.

[Lockjaw]

I offered proff via MBNC reporter sound bites , which are talking about the illuminati , which has confirmed thier existence .

 

The best debunk any of you can come with is claiming that they are referring to some another entity or that in is mentioned on another context ,*

I then *have asked several times please tell me if I am wrong which context do you think they say the name illuminati ? *

 

 

TL.

 

A simple question for you.

 

Do you believe that naming something or someone means that that something or someone exists?

[truthlogic]

Fossils aren't evidence of the past.

 

Youtube however, is.

 

Also, fossils are "hard rock solid", quite literally.

 

Auto with comments like " fossils are not EVIDANCE of the past " why do you think I avoid talking too you!?

[mort]

If this thread degenerates into further bickering and name calling it will be closed and accounts will be suspended.

Hope everybody's clear on that.

[quisquose]

Here's an excellent programme shown on BBC4 the other night:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010j64w/The_Gene_Code_The_Book_of_Life/

 

Dr Adam Rutherford takes the viewer on a rollercoaster ride as he explores the consequences of one of the biggest scientific projects of all time - the decoding of the entire human genome in 2000. Adam discovers that every human carries the entire story of life on earth hidden in his or her DNA and sees how we are all linked directly to the origins of life and to the first creatures with backbones. He also investigates the implications of the fact that for much of its existence, the human race was an endangered species.

 

I thought it was excellent, my wife would like to add that Adam is yummy.

 

[sARCASM]

 

You don't have to watch the programme to realise that all the talk about genes and DNA is just a cover for the fact that it's yet another programme about evolution from the evolution obsessed BBC.

 

Thankfully, due to efforts from a small number of people using truth and logic, such propaganda can be limited to just a hour or so a week on stations like BBC4, leaving the main channels to educate people on events in Albert Square, where to move to, refurbishing homes for people with a sorry tale to tell, how to cook, or matters relating to the current state of the antique market.

 

If we can increase the amount of religious broadcasting, and inform people of the scientific and historical truths in the religious texts, then it will only be a matter of time before the mental capabilities of the majority of the population will be brought in line with people like myself.

 

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[BritPat]

I think you are mixing up abiogenesis and evolution there.

 

Let me show you some references... If you want to disprove evolution you have to read all of those and disprove EVERY single one.

 

Then we can start with the rest of the evidence - there is only about 150 years of it. All the way back to a pile of finches on the Galapagos. You don't get to play funny tummy feelings and handwaving - you think evolution is wrong - start disproving the references.

 

Remember - I'm not trying to convice you. You have to prove that this lot is wrong. I'll let you know when you go wrong.

 

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Very impressive if not exhaustive list of citations, however, you undoubtedly know that all the citations in the world collapse in light of new evidence.

 

Personally I go for evolution and not ID, however, yet again we have posters rattling on trying to browbeat non-specialists by demanding a standard of evidence and argument for their positions that the browbeater probably can't match him/her self.