wednesday1 Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 Come on Nick, do the honourable thing! http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/07/scottish-election-tavish-scott-quits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapleboy Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 The thing is, the LibDems didn't have to go into coalition with anyone, Labour or the Tories. I think if Clegg knew then what he knows now, he would have simply let the Tories form a minority government and voted for or against them as circumstances/policies dictated. That government almost certainly would have fallen by now but at least the LibDems would have had real power over the Tories - "You drop/change policy X, or we vote against you and make you government fall" - but they got greedy, mistook Cleggmania for a long-term phenomenon and tied their horse to the Tory cart. Now all they can do is to try to come the hard man with the Tories and hope the Tories will knuckle under. The fault with that line of thinking is that the Tories know full well that even if they get a hammering at the next general election, they'll be back in power one day. The same most definitely can't be said for the LibDems, so when push comes to shove, the Tories will simply take a general election defeat on the chin, leaving the LibDems forever on the margins in future. If, by some miracle/disaster, the Tories manage to get enough seats to form their own government next time, are the LibDems naive enough to think they'll be invited to form part of that government? They couldn't be that stupid, could they? Much as I loathe the Tories, you've got to admire the way they've let the LibDems take the front seat this last year and thus all the flak, a very, very slick bit of work indeed. Cable says they are ruthless, calculating and very tribal. Errm, didn't the LibDems know that before they got into bed with them, or are they completely delusional to think that "Tories" and "being reasonable" was ever going to happen? It would all be funny, were it not for the state this country is going to be in by the time the current Tory government has finished with it. Gawd help us all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 That government almost certainly would have fallen by now it might have fallen, but if it had then chances are it would have been replaced by a conservative administration with an overall majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 I think Nick Clegg is something of an innocent abroad, expecting fairplay from the Tories as part of the 'partnership.' What an idiot, expecting smarmy, smooth talking, knife-in-the-shoulderblades, Cameron to play nicely. Cameron has used Clegg as whipping boy at every opportunity, often by what he doesn't say as much as by what he does. Let's hope that Cleggy starts to wise up now and begins to make life hard for Dave - and more importantly - be seen to be making it hard by using the media with a bit more savvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffLad76 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 nah I doubt it ,he likes sitting on the bench beside Cameron.Makes him feel good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapleboy Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Looking at the TV news this morning, it sounds like Clegg has decided to play the hard man. It further looks like Call me Dave is going to let him as well. Nicely putting the LibDems in front of the Tories when it all goes belly up and the blame game kicks off. Can you say "Human shield"? Thus ensuring that the LibDems take the majority of the kicking from the electorate. Cunning beggars those Tories. Gullible fools those LibDems. If I was a LibDem MP, I'd be jumping ship now and going over to Labour PDQ before the smelly stuff hits the whirly thing. andyofborg - Then the electorate would know exactly who the enemy is. Exactly the same one that it is now, just conveniently (for the Tories) masked by the LibDems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 andyofborg - Then the electorate would know exactly who the enemy is. Exactly the same one that it is now, just conveniently (for the Tories) masked by the LibDems. the electorate in scotland certainly do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 the electorate in scotland certainly do Indeed they do. I think the question being asked is should Milliband resign after Labour's disaterous performance in Scotland? Just to recap on the election results from Thursday.. Following the English Council Elections the Conservatives now have 4820 councillors up 81 on the day. This compares with Labour who now have 2392 councillors. The conservatives now control 157 English Councils. 4 more than before the election. This compares to 57 councils under Labour control. Labour had a disasterous showing in the Scottish Parliament loosing a shed load of seats and leaving the SNP with an overall majority in what had been Labour's stronghold. Theleader of the Labour party in Scotland has already fallen on his sword. Milliband is totally devoid of charisma and I just wonder if he will still be around come the next General Election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudbeer Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 I actually feel a little sorry for Clegg,its obvious now that torries are just using him and he is taking much of the stick that Cameron would have otherwise got. He does right to toughen up I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 It wont be rejected. Good sources tell me its a resounding `Yes` to push it through. (Roughly 82.5% are in favour of AV) Good sources? It was 68% in favour of no! Would you care to name and shame these "good" sources who've mislead you so badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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