rickiethecat Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 As for the Health and Safety Executive, maybe it's a good thing their budget's being cut. If they concentrated more on protecting people at work than loony campaigns like making schoolchildren wear crash helmets if they want to play conkers perhaps they wouldn't be wasting so much public money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 The statement "more people like Mark Wright will die" doesn't mean much without anything to back it up. You seem very knowledgable in this area so you'll be able to answer these. What has happened to random HSE inspections since 2005 when Mark's accident happened? Have they increased by 10%? 20%? Have they decreased? What is the corresponding annual casualty and fatality rates in those sectors that recieve random HSE inspections, so we can see any correlation between random HSE inspections and accident rates? Cameron is cutting the budget to the HSE. He is not dictating to them how they spend their budget. If they want to maintain the same level of random inspections, then their executives (no doubt highly paid) will have to decide what else in their organisation to cut. The statement "where you have rigorous, unannounced health and safety inspections, the number of accidents and deaths falls by 22 per cent over the next three years" is a little dubious too. To me, it looks as though it assumes a starting point of zero unannounced HSE inpections. Is this the case? Do we have zero unannounced HSE inspections? Assuming they have in fact been around a while, does this bare any truth? Have accidents fell 22% in the last three years? Did they fall 22% in the previous three years? You seem to have completely misunderstood the context of the study. A quick google and here it is: http://www.unitetheunion.org/PDF/MakingCompaniesSafejan05.pdf I will look at the other points later when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 As for the Health and Safety Executive, maybe it's a good thing their budget's being cut. If they concentrated more on protecting people at work than loony campaigns like making schoolchildren wear crash helmets if they want to play conkers perhaps they wouldn't be wasting so much public money? Reading Richard Littlejohn rots your brain, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The accident happened in 2005, under the tenure of Labour, 8 years after they came into power. My point is, if random HSE inspections were in place in 2005, they didn't prevent the death of Mark Wright. If random inspections prevent accidents, why did Mark Wright die? Please do not confuse this issue with your true facts. Remember "four legs good, two legs bad" (© George Orwell, 1945). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Another attempt to smear the Tories backfires. It never fails to amaze me how low the left wing posters on here will stoop - how much lower can they get than using a man's death to score cheap political points? Bloody hell, pot kettle black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andikay Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yet another who has fallen for the Tory "there's no money, we're broke, everyone has to cutback" line. If there isn't any money where did the cash for our intervention in Libya come from, thin air? It is a choice that Governments make as to what to spend our money on. It is always a choice. Labour's gross mismanagement of the economy was laid bare today after it was revealed a former minister left his successor a note that said 'there was no money left'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279043/George-Osborne-deliver-emergency-Budget-June-22.html#ixzz1Kp2k1VQt Labour minister Liam Byrne left note on desk: ‘There’s no money left’ Labour's warning to new Government: 'there's no money left' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Labour's gross mismanagement of the economy was laid bare today after it was revealed a former minister left his successor a note that said 'there was no money left'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279043/George-Osborne-deliver-emergency-Budget-June-22.html#ixzz1Kp2k1VQt Labour minister Liam Byrne left note on desk: ‘There’s no money left’ Labour's warning to new Government: 'there's no money left' Yawn........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Labour's gross mismanagement of the economy was laid bare today after it was revealed a former minister left his successor a note that said 'there was no money left'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279043/George-Osborne-deliver-emergency-Budget-June-22.html#ixzz1Kp2k1VQt Labour minister Liam Byrne left note on desk: ‘There’s no money left’ Labour's warning to new Government: 'there's no money left' So where has the money come from for various things? Thin air? Has the Government been secretly printing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Some more information to inform the debate: http://www.hazards.org/votetodie/jobkillers.htm http://www.hazardscampaign.org.uk/pressrelease/wmd2011.htm http://www.hazards.org/votetodie/ http://www.hazards.org/votetodie/neutered.htm http://www.hazards.org/deadlybusiness/whopays.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andikay Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yawn........ I also find it tiresome having to remind people that Labour spent too much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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