meyouus Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 pakistan more progressive than the USA, Now thats funny. straw clutching at its best by the enemy within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyouus Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 barbarism, yes. and, you could argue, if you wanted, that it's a race crime. but the woman was attacked not for her race, but because she was transgender i think. sorry i forgot race hate crimes only work one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 pakistan more progressive than the USA, Now thats funny. straw clutching at its best by the enemy within. who's enemy? look at the article about the woman who got beat up. the last paragraph is about how the American law makers (in Maryland) refused to pass a bill that, though much weaker than the Pakistani one, would give transgenders some rights. so, yes, in this case America is far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 It is a step but we cultural change will be much harder to impose than a court order. The USA is behind most of the world in legal and practical application of human rights so you're right to be so negative. To be fair, Pakistan and the USA are such huge countries that it is impossible to generalise. The USA's secular constitution, and the aspirations of men like Jefferson, were possibly one of the greatest contributions to human rights. The commonality between the two countries is that in those areas where that thing beginning with "R" gains control, human rights evaporate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 sorry i forgot race hate crimes only work one way. ha ha. knew you would say. did you read my post? if a black man is beaten up by a white man because he's gay the race thing is coincidental. the issue is homophobia. if the guy was beat up coz he's black then him being gay becomes coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyouus Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Exactly did anyone else notice the colour of the attackers and the colour of the victim. plus the colour of those filming and the woman trying to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The Pakistani position is similar to that in Iran, which has always been understanding of transgender men and women and even offers them a free sex change if they want. It's in stark contrast to their position on homosexuality which is punishable by stoning to death. It's an odd contradiction and one that we can never understand from a western liberal viewpoint. There's an excellent documentary on the subject called "Be Like Others" which I'm sure will be available on YouTube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Like_Others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 To be fair, Pakistan and the USA are such huge countries that it is impossible to generalise. The USA's secular constitution, and the aspirations of men like Jefferson, were possibly one of the greatest contributions to human rights. The commonality between the two countries is that in those areas where that thing beginning with "R" gains control, human rights evaporate. true. to a point. the American legislature seems too afraid of the religious right to do anything that might upset them. look at their abortions laws, which they want to tighten and charge women with murder etc. it's a paradox that the country so proud of individual freedoms would be the one so hell bent on curtailing them in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The Pakistani position is similar to that in Iran, which has always been understanding of transgender men and women and even offers them a free sex change if they want. It's in stark contrast to their position on homosexuality which is punishable by stoning to death. It's an odd contradiction and one that we can never understand from a western liberal viewpoint. There's an excellent documentary on the subject called "Be Like Others" which I'm sure will be available on YouTube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Like_Others true. there are many sects the world over who view transgender people as an amalgam and fuller version of who we are. most in the third world, and, mainly, Muslim countries. it's a strange thing. but happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 true. to a point. the American legislature seems too afraid of the religious right to do anything that might upset them. look at their abortions laws, which they want to tighten and charge women with murder etc. it's a paradox that the country so proud of individual freedoms would be the one so hell bent on curtailing them in many ways. Exactly, which is why I'm puzzled as to your "to a point". The Christian Taliban and Islamic Taliban are the same, only their average incomes and their magic man are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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