nightrider Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If AV is such a good system how is it that only 3 countries use it. Fiji, Papua New Gunea, and Australia. According to a friend in Australia, in a recent poll well over 50% voted for a return to First past the post system. most countries use multi-round systems which is rather similar to AV as far as I can tell. How many countries actually use FPTP one round elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Yes to PR, no to AV if you don't vote for AV you will never be asked about PR though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Many of the backers of AV have claimed it is the first stage in the direction of PR. It was PR which allowed the nazi MEPS to be elected a couple of years ago , on just 6% of the vote. If it ain't broke don't fix it! No it was BNP voters that allowed the nazi MEPS to be elected. AV is a sop to electoral reform and will change little. A short period of electoral instability and then back to business as usual. Only PR and STV would count as an improvement on FPTP. This watered down, worst of all worlds solution is simply a cheap promise to shut up the lib dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If you vote Labour or Conservative you vote will be counted once, if you vote for one of the minor parties you vote gets counted twice or maybe more …………… what happened to one man one vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If you vote Labour or Conservative you vote will be counted once, if you vote for one of the minor parties you vote gets counted twice or maybe more …………… what happened to one man one vote. completely untrue. Everyone has the same number of votes under AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 completely untrue. Everyone has the same number of votes under AV. But how many times are they counted ?, Its like having a go on a raffle and getting to pick another ticket if you don’t win the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazjea Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 most countries use multi-round systems which is rather similar to AV as far as I can tell. How many countries actually use FPTP one round elections? About 50 use first past the post last time I checked. We are only asked to vote yes or no to AV. So there is no point comparing against other systems, however similar you think they maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 About 50 use first past the post last time I checked. . Thats not what I asked - how many countries use FPTP that involves only one round of voting? A quick look in wikipedia shows basically no western democracies use the FPTP system we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 completely untrue. Everyone has the same number of votes under AV. Nope, some voters will have many more preferences to place than others. Some consituencies may have dozens of parties on the ballot, others may have as few as three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 About 50 use first past the post last time I checked. We are only asked to vote yes or no to AV. So there is no point comparing against other systems, however similar you think they maybe. of course there is if AV is essentially equivalent to another similar system used elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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