Lucifer Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ok, what is Torture? paddy pants down is on news night and he just said water boarding is torture. he and I for that matter have been water boarded. I saw it then and now as a harsh form of interrogation but not torture. im not asking if torture is right or wrong, or see any point in disscussing that. until we debate, what is torture? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505073/How-the-law-and-UN-define-torture.html Phew, haven't you had the Chinese Burn ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 NO im not saying it should, but im saying just because it could does not make it torture. isn't torture torture more because of the act not what it could or couldn't do. getting 'information' in the end doesn't negate the fact of the torture. or that someone doesn't get lasting effects. the after effects i was referring to were an added argument against it, not criteria for a definition, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyouus Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 You miss my point. What I mean is that if you justify the use of "interrogation techniques", then you justify it being used against you. If we think it is okay to make a little boy suffer through putting all his weight on one or two muscles <LINK REMOVED>, then we also think it is okay to make a British soldier suffer the same. I'm trying to keep on track without discussing the morality of making somebody suffer. The picture looks awful, but does in my opinion not show torture. Yes i would expect some of our our troops to be interrorgated but not tortured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The picture looks awful, but does in my opinion not show torture. Yes i would expect some of our our troops to be interrorgated but not tortured. how long would he have to stay in that position before it's torture? ps-i agree, in it's self the position the guy's in isn't torture. but the blind fold suggest something more sinister. that, in a battle field, not seeing what's going on, knowing your 'enemy, armed to the teeth, is right next to you and can.... addition- think i spoke too soon. that piece of wood is there for no other reason that to cause pain isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 ... and the mental effects? Isn't it obvious? :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Looking at my vietcong photo, he could be about 40 years old. I misjudged his size I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Spyda Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 no its not, but that seems to be how its defined these days. Well these are the days we live in. We're not going to define it by any other period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyouus Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 how long would he have to stay in that position before it's torture? ps-i agree, in it's self the position the guy's in isn't torture. but the blind fold suggest something more sinister. that, in a battle field, not seeing what's going on, knowing your 'enemy, armed to the teeth, is right next to you and can.... addition- think i spoke too soon. that piece of wood is there for no other reason that to cause pain isn't it? how long? never. its what happens when you cant stay in that stress position that counts. if your moved into another position thats fine. If your beaten its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ok, what is Torture? paddy pants down is on news night and he just said water boarding is torture. he and I for that matter have been water boarded. I saw it then and now as a harsh form of interrogation but not torture. im not asking if torture is right or wrong, or see any point in disscussing that. until we debate, what is torture? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505073/How-the-law-and-UN-define-torture.html Try this link. http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.htmail Water boarding is more than "a harsh form of interrogation." It is torture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 how long? never. its what happens when you cant stay in that stress position that counts. if your moved into another position thats fine. If your beaten its not. so the guy could stay there indefinitely. and that wouldn't torture coz he didn't crack? don't you the contradiction in the whole thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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