"Slutwalks" in N. America

[Streamline]

He said "You know, I think we’re beating around the bush here…women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised."

 

Do I really need to explain why the words of someone else are mysogynistic before you'll explain your own logic?

 

If I was asked to define the word misogynistic I would refer to that statement.

 

Sounds like perfectly good common sense advice to me, It's the sort of advice I've seen on the foreign office website for women visiting Muslim countries.

 

ie don't show too much flesh.

[ronthenekred]

I tend to always judge based on my own standards and morality, how else would I?

 

How is another person expected to know as a stranger what your standards are? By hopefully fulfilling your standards and dressing appropriately as guesswork?

 

Not at all. I'm saying what you most probably have thought at some time but dare not say in fear of the backlash. I've already stated that I'm not condoning rape nor am I excusing rapists. My posts have nothing to do with blame since the rapist would be to blame in any situation. My posts are related to the prevention of rape in the examples you asked me to give you... remember?

 

:huh:Are you saying that because a woman dresses provocatively I somehow in my minds eye am entitled to attack or physically abuse her but I daren't say that because of fear of a backlash? If not what is it I fear?

 

 

 

Of course they do, but that wouldn't be sexually motivated would it. If a woman dressed like a:

 

So if women didn't dress like "sluts" rape wouldn't be sexually motivated? Maybe you're right, maybe we could eliminate sexual assault/rape overnight.

[ronthenekred]

Personally I find you wierd, on the one hand you protect the right for someone to wear what they like and behave however they want yet when someone expresses an opinion that runs contrary to that you're ready to fire off the insults, the labelling and the acussations..

 

 

It's all in your own head Streamline, all in your own head.

[Streamline]

It's all in your own head Streamline, all in your own head.

 

 

Sounds to me like you are attempting to psychologically bully me.

[danot]

So if women didn't dress like "sluts" rape wouldn't be sexually motivated? Maybe you're right, maybe we could eliminate sexual assault/rape overnight.

Polite request: If you expect me to reply could you Quote me in the proper way.

[Streamline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYhrSXg5mvY&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaBTgpHSWo&feature=related

[quisquose]

The Police advise people all the time about how to prevent crime.

 

Ever heard the phrase:-

 

"KEEP YOUR VALUABLES LOCKED UP"

 

?

 

"Keep your valuables locked up" is good advice. It is evidence based, applies to everybody, and actually reduces crime because much of it is opportunist.

 

Similarly, "don't get too drunk" or "don't walk alone at night" or "don't accept lifts from strangers" is good advice. It is also evidence based, applies to everybody, and reduces opportunist crime ... including rape.

 

"Don't dress in a way that makes you sexually attractive" is terrible advice in the same way that "don't own anything valuable" is terrible advice, and when it is given only to women it is offensive misogynistic nonsense.

 

Basically what Chris said:

 

"Take care of yourself and try not to put yourself in unneccessary danger" is good advice.

 

"Don't dress like a slut" is terrible advice. The main reason being it is hugely subjective, and puts that qualification in the hands of the men who commit the crime in the first place.

 

As for criticisms of the police officer's statement being evidence of 'male hatred', which I am still waiting to be explained, I should add that not only is it offensive to women, but as a man I find it offensive as well.

[danot]

Dressing as a sexual being and wishing to be objectified are two very different things. One is a perfectly normal and healthy attitude in life, and the other is dehumanising.

What do you mean? Women who dress provocatively are in effect intentionally recreating or adapting the commercially sexualised image of women.

 

Posted by Chris_Sleeps

There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting to dress 'sexy' and be sexually attractive. Not one thing.

So would you say you're against the commercialised sexualisation of women?

[Plain Talker]

So if women didn't dress like "sluts" rape wouldn't be sexually motivated? Maybe you're right, maybe we could eliminate sexual assault/rape overnight.

 

I get your irony there, ron...

 

Rape isn't about the way someone is dressed, it's about the raper having power over the person being attacked.

 

Nuns have been raped. Women wearing Burqa have been raped. Women wearing just a bikini bottom have been left alone without interference. Young pretty women have been attacked, as have ninety year old women... There was a case of a woman in a vegetative state for many years being assaulted, and being made pregnant by a male member of staff at the hospital where she was being nursed. no-one can possibly say she was a consenting participant.

[Harleyman]

I say that all women should be allowed to carry .44 Magnums.

 

"This is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world aimed right at your family jewels. Question you have to ask yourself is, do I still feel horny? Well do ya punk ?"