alchresearch Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 if we're throwing around sweeping generalisations can we say that sickness figures are lower in FE teachers / lecturers because they only work about 3 hours a day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy-Lastic Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 What about the current policy on inclusion - is that likely to be a factor in increasing stress in teaching compared to when I was at school? In Sheffield it is extremely difficult to get a statement for a child and even when they do get a statement, there is no funding attached to the child to help with the specialisist support that they need. This means that children with quite complex needs (behavioural/ physical or developmental or a combination) are put into a mainstream classroom where they are not supported adequately and the teacher is expected to support them (often alone) and make sure that all the others in the room make their 1.5/ 2 sub levels of progress per year. In Primary there can be children working at level 1 in the same class as children working at level 5, so the teacher needs to make sure that all the individuals there are catered in terms of support and the amount that they are stretched - this balance is difficult. How this is handled will depend to a certain extent on the senior leadership and how much support there is in place to help a teacher with 'difficult' pupils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 OK - seriously, do you think that the students spend the whole of there EMAs on books? when all the information from a book is on google, accessable at any time and free of charge? Most of the students I work with spend their EMA on travel expenses, lunches etc. Yes some do spend the rest on fags or a magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 My understanding from the people involved in the Rawmarsh school dispute was that Labour were rather less than helpful to them in furthering the needs of their pupils. They accepted at face value the Head Teacher's view that 25 staff and 9 support workers needed be cut (out of around 80), to save money. 11 days of strike action has now managed to change that financial situation to where hardly any of the staff are being cut.... making that initial calculation look more than a little flawed. My understanding is Labour has damaged its relationship with the community in Rawmarsh because of their support for these obvious draconian and unjustified cuts. Congratulations to the NUT for standing up for their community and winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sues_budgie Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The question is, why is this happening now? I'm no expert on the teaching profession but was the level of sickness the same, say in the 1970s 80s 90s etc. If it wasn't there's been another effect on the statistics. This could be, as mentioned earlier, the kids are more challenging, the teachers aren't of the same quality, parenting skills are not what they were or government involvement in the profession is worsening the situation... It may be a combination of all four but its no solution to sack all those you feel are not up to the job or the profession would be in turmoil. A teacher suffering from stress is part of the job I suppose and all people can deal with this in a different way. Why is this happening now? 1) generous access to sick pay 2) stress - ample months of for this very questionable condition Why not sack them? can you imagine what would happen if a Haulage firm had half the lorry drivers of work with stress, because they found sitting in traffic jams stressful? What about a car mechanic who doesn't like getting his hands dirty, and didn't realise he would end up with dirty hands as a result of working on a car? As we suggesting that teachers when they enter the profession are not aware of how things are in the modern classroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 As we suggesting that teachers when they enter the profession are not aware of how things are in the modern classroom? Yep you're right. Being a teacher isn't open season on physical and verbal abuse.I'm sure the mechanic would be off sick, if every time a car failed its MOT the car owner beat him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Why is this happening now? 1) generous access to sick pay 2) stress - ample months of for this very questionable condition Why not sack them? can you imagine what would happen if a Haulage firm had half the lorry drivers of work with stress, because they found sitting in traffic jams stressful? What about a car mechanic who doesn't like getting his hands dirty, and didn't realise he would end up with dirty hands as a result of working on a car? As we suggesting that teachers when they enter the profession are not aware of how things are in the modern classroom? Anyway what's your problem? On another thread you were boasting that you got your teaching post under false pretenses (i.e. lying to the interviewers). Therefore you should be the last person to complain about the suitability of teachers for jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sues_budgie Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Anyway what's your problem? . People having lengthly periods of time of work, and recieveing full pay. As far as I am concerned, people can have 2 years off on the sick, but don't expect to be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sues_budgie Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Anyway what's your problem? On another thread you were boasting that you got your teaching post under false pretenses (i.e. lying to the interviewers). Therefore you should be the last person to complain about the suitability of teachers for jobs. So all teachers (or anyone who worked for the public sector for that matter) would answer any question as honestly as they could in a job interview? would that include any questions on Equal Ops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcake Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Sue are you mad or bitter or is there another reason you seem so angry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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