Taliban & Bin Laden Conspiracy

[vResistance]

Here's what he had to say.

 

Quote: Prof Rory Ridley Duff.

 

"I don't know what SF is, so I can't be one of them. (Is it Sheffield Forum?) I had to register to contribute to this thread so that is evidence enough to counter the above claim.

 

The article mentioned is used as teaching materials in the research training for doctoral researchers so there is confidence in its methodology. It is challenging for students (which is why we use it). The paper is known to my employer, and many researchers have read it. None have objected to it, but there is always a diversity of opinion about its conclusions. Nobody has ever questioned the integrity of the methodology.

 

The value of the paper (to the students) is that they learn how difficult it is to establish the truth. Even if my 'employer' disagreed with the conclusions, it does not alter the value of the paper in showing how different approaches to research reveal different things about the claims surrounding events at Canary Wharf on 7/7.

 

As I play a leading role in research training at the highest level, it would be fair to say my employer does have confidence in my ability to design research, and I have received bursaries for Research Excellence every year I've been at the university. I also won a national competition for a PhD bursary in 2002.

 

This paper was written only for student consumption. I cannot help that many people have taken it from my website and circulated it (and uploaded it) to many other websites. It has become a much talked about paper (much more so that all my other papers - of which there are now about 40). However, I am happy to add a sane voice to the hysteria surrounding 7/7.

 

To correct some misconceptions:

 

1. The article refers to "John Hill" throughout, whilst acknowledging at one point that he calls himself Muad'Dib.

 

2. I do not believe you will find statements anywhere on the internet that I support John Hill (in the sense that you imply), but I do engage in debate about the quality of the evidence in his documentary, and the attempt by the BBC to challenge it. I support pursuit of the truth, not John Hill. If John Hill's work takes us closer to the truth, I support his work, not him.

 

3. I utterly reject the idea that I am doing anything other than exercising my own judgement in a case where a person has been prosecuted for nothing more than trying to see justice done (as they see it). I have never met John Hill, and did not correspond with him until he contacted me to clarify issues in the first draft of the paper. I corresponded also with the BBC and J7 to clarify issues in the paper. He's not been favoured, or excluded, from discussions to improve the paper. Both he, and the BBC, are challenged in the paper over their political motives.

 

This said, I have no problem supporting any person who intelligently follows the evidence available and draws credible conclusions from it. If that means I 'support John Hill' then so be it."

 

Rory Ridley-Duff

Sheffield Hallam University

[MOTOKO]

According to this video at 2 mins 15 secs, OBL has been dead for years

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

[truthlogic]

But who knows, he may have not been in Afghanistan. He was caught in Pakistan so he may have been there the whole time anyway...

 

And if it took the USA a decade to find him maybe the Afghans couldn't have handed him over if they wanted to..

 

Looking at it I would have put my money on the Taliban finding him ( as they knew were he was ) as apposed to the occupation forces would still to this day don't know were his hideout caves were ,

[truthlogic]

According to this video at 2 mins 15 secs, OBL has been dead for years

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

 

Rip Butto ,

[dosxuk]

No there is not ,that footage is from a "dummy run" previous.

You are lying or misinformed.

 

Nope, they've released it as part of the enquiry. It's on various sites.

 

Here's the footage from Luton, from thier arrivals until they board the train. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c30_1301111706&jwp_version=4

 

I have seen a video which then continues onto their arrival and journeys through Kings Cross, I'll link to it when I find it again.

 

Edit: Here's a video of them at Kings Cross Thameslink - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12483035

 

Reports of a man wearing a suicide vest being shot did go out and there was an incident/s around canary wharf that were played down.

 

Reports, yes. Photos, videos or CCTV footage? No.

 

Professor Rory Ridley Duff did a study of the information,statements etc about what happened at canary wharf and concluded John Hill's film had the stronger evidence to support his claims than they did for the official story.

 

Did you catch his visit the other day.

 

Yes, I did.

[truthlogic]

 

v how long did you believe that the story of Taliban refusing to hand over bin laden was bull ?

 

(ps how can you debate with dosxuk if he refuses to look at evidence or even click a link ?)

[jaydeebee]

v how long did you believe that the story of Taliban refusing to hand over bin laden was bull ?

 

(ps how can you debate with dosxuk if he refuses to look at evidence or even click a link ?)

 

I could say something similar to dosxuk... how do you debate with truthlogic when he continually ignore questions and rants on and on and on and on?

 

When you don't believe something, you request proof, even though you don't have proof for your own story.

 

When you DO believe something you appear to think 'reports' are sufficient and there is no need for video/photographic evidence.

 

That goes for Vresistance too. It's pointless arguing with you, you'll always be living in coo coo land.

[dosxuk]

v how long did you believe that the story of Taliban refusing to hand over bin laden was bull ?

 

(ps how can you debate with dosxuk if he refuses to look at evidence or even click a link ?)

 

I don't refuse to look at evidence or click a link. I refuse to sit through a 45 minute video to get a ten second sound bite. Anything important will have been summarised by people who have the time. You may have the time to spend hours watching them, I don't.

 

Notice where above I've provided sources of videos, I've described their contents so you don't need to sit through them to know what they show if you don't want to.

 

Where v is better than you truthlogic, is that he explains his position, and provides sensible links and a summary of their contents. You just post links with no description.

[vResistance]

v how long did you believe that the story of Taliban refusing to hand over bin laden was bull ?

 

(ps how can you debate with dosxuk if he refuses to look at evidence or even click a link ?)

 

To be honest I don't know enough to have a strong opinion.

I think it likely they would catch and offer him because he wasn't one of them,the US wouldn't want him of course because they needed to keep the threat alive and Bin'laden doing his job.

Having family business links with the Bush family etc.

[vResistance]

Nope, they've released it as part of the enquiry. It's on various sites.

 

Here's the footage from Luton, from thier arrivals until they board the train. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c30_1301111706&jwp_version=4

 

I have seen a video which then continues onto their arrival and journeys through Kings Cross, I'll link to it when I find it again.

 

Edit: Here's a video of them at Kings Cross Thameslink - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12483035

 

 

 

Reports, yes. Photos, videos or CCTV footage? No.

 

 

 

Yes, I did.

 

I did you the honour of watching the footage,I've seen it before,none of the film is very conclusive and shows nothing after 7.25.

All ties in with the training exercise theory.the rest of the footage is missing because they didn't make the trains that blew up.