Woodseats the nightmare continues

[Doctor Drew]

The Star does like to portray the council in a bad light sometimes it's been noted on here plenty of times how they get a story of some mis-fortune and then put up a picture of a despondent looking person to give a visial clue as to the unhappiness of the person concerned. I don't think it was a controvercial decision when the road layout was changed, most people probably didn't even notice it was going to happen the complaining only started after the event which the Star at some point picked up on. As to whether a newspaper can be thought of as always being factual, accurate and correct, well I can speak from personal experience that the Star is not always correct and accurate and in fact made things up to put in their headline to make for a more eye catching news story.

 

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On the subject of cost I have never seen a cost for the re-introduction of the left turn into Abbey lane and the alteration of the lights at that particular point of the junction. I could point out that where the pavements through the area were re-shaped to channel water into a central gullet the council got the number of required drains quite wrong so you get rain water puddling badly. At least the road system was altered again although it hasn't improved things a lot so be grateful that something was done. If anyone has any sensible solutions to decrease the amount of traffic wanting to go through Woodseats maybe you should speak up, notice I said 'sensible'

 

The cost as far as I can ascertain was £4m for the initial scheme with £600k for the amended Abbey Lane junction. As for the rest of your post, I'm sorry but I'm struggling to see the relevance. Are you suggesting that because the Star use photographs to support the text in human interest stories that makes them unreliable and inaccurate with regard to this particular case?

 

As for calling for the public to provide a solution, you're agreeing then, albeit indirectly, with my assertion that the planners have failed. If your preference is for the untrained general public to plan the city's streets you can hardly be said to have faith in our existing planners. If the council are prepared to pay me the same salary as the existing failures in the planning department. I'll be happy to have a pop at the problem. As I suspect would most people. It seems a very secure job. How many of the people on this forum could make a ****-up at work to the tune of nearly £5m and stroll in the following Monday whistling Dixie?

[Fudbeer]

Geez if it was not for the amount we paid for the "improvements" reading that star article would be pure comedy.

 

Improving journey times by having a light that goes red even when there is nothing comming and then spending £300k removing it!

 

You really couldn't make it up!

 

Surely someone has to be accountable for this huge waste of money.

[WallBuilder]

No just mentioned the photo's that the Star do like to use to remind other users memories of stories reported by the Star and commented on this forum. I wonder if you could find out how many stories have been reported on by the Star have been in praise of the council and how many being negative, I suspect the negative outway the praiseworthy.

I thought the forum was about allowing people to discuss issues and suggest solutions, so many users find something to complain about and then don't offer alternate solutions, some really daft solutions are offered that would never be considered acceptable by the many others who would be affected by the solutions. Planners may get things wrong sometimes that's unavoidable but if I want some-one who critisises something to then offer a better solution then I'm entitled to ask. So as a member of the public there are a few things I may like to see being done.The roads going up by the side of tesco and some of the others I'd turn into one way, access from Chesterfield road going up the hill. I'd close off the dale, and then utilise the top end of it as a buss pull in stop I'd also put in double yellow lines on those side roads if they can't be made one way so no-one could park near the bottom as that can often cause problems as cars waiting to pull off those roads hold up traffic wanting to turn up them. The highway planners may of looked at such idea's and found out they wouldn't work or maybe they'll try them and then find out that although it removes one problem it creates anothe.

[WallBuilder]

Some of the planned works were not good, fine replace the broken pavement surface, make them wider so easier for the many people walking but as I've said they screwed up with the drainage. You might be pleased to know that I'm going to be asking Aney to sort this out as and when they do the work in Woodseats. The pavement levels were altered outside the Yorkshire bank and that parade of shops as well which removed the nasty step up onto the shop frontage that was another good bit in the plans. The designation of car parking bays has also been good as it has stopped vehicles from parking on Chesterfield road right on the corner making vehicle line of sight better. I happen to like the increased numbers of crossings as I've said I'm not as nimble on my feet as I used to be so road crossing is safer. So obviously not all the money was wasted and if or as mistakes were made i hope the planners learn from such mistakes and don't repeat them elsewhere.

[JME52K]

The roads going up by the side of tesco and some of the others I'd turn into one way, access from Chesterfield road going up the hill. I'd close off the dale, and then utilise the top end of it as a buss pull in stop I'd also put in double yellow lines on those side roads if they can't be made one way so no-one could park near the bottom as that can often cause problems as cars waiting to pull off those roads hold up traffic wanting to turn up them. The highway planners may of looked at such idea's and found out they wouldn't work or maybe they'll try them and then find out that although it removes one problem it creates anothe.

 

Some good ideas there WallBuilder, but cars would STILL park on the double yellows round Tesco and Williams. I've lived in Woodseats for nearly 40 years but I haven't parked on Chesterfield Road to shop for about ten years. It's somewhere I walk to, either to catch a bus or just buy a few items I can comfortably carry home.

[Mecky]

Catch a bus then

[JME52K]

Catch a bus then

 

That's exactly what I do do. Have you nothing more interesting to say than that?

[Olive]

I am beginning to notice that people are saying journey times are slower but isn't that the same all over the city if not the country, car numbers are always increasing the roads cannot cope.

 

Is that really true though. Like many people, I've just assumed that traffic has been increasing year on year. But actually, since the mid 90s it seems to have levelled off and even reduced. Here are some details from the 2010 National Traffic Survey:

 

Since the early 1970s, the average distance people travel per year has increased by 50%. Most of this growth occurred during the 1970s and 1980s and was largely due to an increase in average trip lengths, which have risen by 50% since the early 1970s. Trip rates increased until the mid-1990s, but have since fallen back to close to the 1970s level. Since the late 1990s, the average distance travelled and average trip lengths have generally levelled off.

 

Between 1995/97 and 2010 there was a steadily falling trend in trip numbers. In 2010 the average person made 960 trips per year compared to 1,086 in 1995/97 – a fall of 12%. The average trip length in 2010 was 7 miles (11.3 Km) an increase of 9% from 6.4 miles (10.3 Km) in 1995/97. Of all trips made in 2010, 20% were less than one mile (1.6 Km) in length and 95% were less than 25 miles (40 Km).

 

In the 90s there were nothing like the traffic control measures that are in place now, including permit zones. I can't help feeling that all in all, the problems have either been pushed somewhere else, or exacerbated.

[allianceroof]

Don't work that end of Sheffield very often luckily but always a nightmare it's like hills borough on match days

[Annoni_mouse]

Quote:

 

Originally Posted by WallBuilder

 

I am beginning to notice that people are saying journey times are slower but isn't that the same all over the city if not the country, car numbers are always increasing the roads cannot cope.

 

Is that really true though. Like many people, I've just assumed that traffic has been increasing year on year. But actually, since the mid 90s it seems to have levelled off and even reduced. Here are some details from the 2010 National Traffic Survey:

 

Since the early 1970s, the average distance people travel per year has increased by 50%. Most of this growth occurred during the 1970s and 1980s and was largely due to an increase in average trip lengths, which have risen by 50% since the early 1970s. Trip rates increased until the mid-1990s, but have since fallen back to close to the 1970s level. Since the late 1990s, the average distance travelled and average trip lengths have generally levelled off.

 

Between 1995/97 and 2010 there was a steadily falling trend in trip numbers. In 2010 the average person made 960 trips per year compared to 1,086 in 1995/97 – a fall of 12%. The average trip length in 2010 was 7 miles (11.3 Km) an increase of 9% from 6.4 miles (10.3 Km) in 1995/97. Of all trips made in 2010, 20% were less than one mile (1.6 Km) in length and 95% were less than 25 miles (40 Km).

 

In the 90s there were nothing like the traffic control measures that are in place now, including permit zones. I can't help feeling that all in all, the problems have either been pushed somewhere else, or exacerbated.

 

To be fair, that only says that per person, we are travelling at about the same rate that we were in

the mid 90's.

 

What it doesn't say is how many more people are actually making those trips.

 

 

 

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