Should poor people be allowed to grow their own food?

[chem1st]

you avoided my question chemist. do we take the overgrown gardens off people and give them to others?

 

 

and if we do. how do we police it to stop the house occupant parking a car on it.

 

Tax them, let them decide if they want to give it up or continue using it. Increase the tax if too many people are using land to store scrap cars whilst people wish to grow food. If nobody wishes to own land, the tax is too high.

[Sid Umpley]

we already give them the minumum that we consider is possible to live on.

do we tax them more on it. maybe take some food out of their kids mouths?

[tinfoilhat]

Tax them, let them decide if they want to give it up or continue using it. Increase the tax if too many people are using land to store scrap cars whilst people wish to grow food. If nobody wishes to own land, the tax is too high.

 

What if they choose to build an abattoir ? Is that ok ?

[Parvo]

think the waiting list for allotments will get shorter-people are giving them up because

1.rents are rising

2.its been a ****e year and B all has grown and

3. A lot of people are following a fashionable idea and when they get the allotmnet they find its F in hard work!!! and then give up.

 

15-20 years ago no one wanted allotments, only a few oldies and green stalwarts-(this is why some people hasve more than one)-hence the disrepair,

if people want to grow food or get involved there are also plenty of community group allotments about and groups that are trying to get areas cleared (under decades of rubbish and undergrowth) whilst they are on the waiting list.

 

there are oppertunities to grow food but maybe you have to find them .

[tinfoilhat]

think the waiting list for allotments will get shorter-people are giving them up because

1.rents are rising

2.its been a ****e year and B all has grown and

3. A lot of people are following a fashionable idea and when they get the allotmnet they find its F in hard work!!! and then give up.

 

15-20 years ago no one wanted allotments, only a few oldies and green stalwarts-(this is why some people hasve more than one)-hence the disrepair,

if people want to grow food or get involved there are also plenty of community group allotments about and groups that are trying to get areas cleared (under decades of rubbish and undergrowth) whilst they are on the waiting list.

 

there are oppertunities to grow food but maybe you have to find them .

 

I never thought of point 2. Could be a few starving kiddies in chem1sts master plan, that or food price inflation, like we have now, and that's with professionals doing the growing.

[andygardener]

You don't go seizing it from productive farmers. You seize idle land. Or transfer ownership from idle landowners to farmers. It really is very simple.

 

And you don't outright seize it, you levy a tax upon all land, to make sure all land is used efficiently, and that everyone can occupy a little and have access to land for productive means!

 

Peak district and other national parks can be taxed at a rate so high that it is left to nature, with ownership unobtainable for men.

 

The problems of Zimbabwe result from productive White-owned farms being seized by novice Black farmers and were coupled with a trade embargo restricting the shipment of fertiliser.

 

So by introducing a tax on land you think that the poor will rise up and learn the skills needed to grow their own food, buy the requisit supplies, tend their crops and on a micro-farm basis ensure that their crops will meet their nutritional requirements over the course of a year?

 

Really? You honestly think that's ever going to happen?

[tinfoilhat]

So by introducing a tax on land you think that the poor will rise up and learn the skills needed to grow their own food, buy the requisit supplies, tend their crops and on a micro-farm basis ensure that their crops will meet their nutritional requirements over the course of a year?

 

Really? You honestly think that's ever going to happen?

 

And unregulated house building too, built by god knows who, to god knows what standard.

[Sid Umpley]

its a lovely planet chemist lives on. wonder what colour the sky is.

 

its certainly not the same one the rest of us live on. i am forming an oppinion.

 

Chemist. are you an unemployed activist who has firm political oppinions mainly based on the govt giving the poor more and more and taxing everyone else into oblivion?

[chem1st]

So by introducing a tax on land you think that the poor will rise up and learn the skills needed to grow their own food, buy the requisit supplies, tend their crops and on a micro-farm basis ensure that their crops will meet their nutritional requirements over the course of a year?

 

Really? You honestly think that's ever going to happen?

 

I haven't said that it will. So full marks for the invention of some utopian ideal.

 

We have idle land.

 

We have people willing to grow food, actively wishing to pay for the privilege of doing so! (Let's not forget that one third of farms in this country are tenanted, primarily smaller farms, and that they are the most productive!)

 

We have people who get agricultural subsidies for merely owning land and they leave it idle.

 

We also have old people and disabled people with gardens that they cannot use - these people would be better suited to housing with communal gardens on the flat.

 

I think that when we stop people from taking on a very small allotment to practise growing food we will rapidly lose our skill base, small suppliers of goods for these people will go out of business and that agriculture as a whole will suffer.

[chem1st]

Chemist. are you an unemployed activist who has firm political oppinions mainly based on the govt giving the poor more and more and taxing everyone else into oblivion?

 

No.

 

I think the government should level the playing field and lower taxes.

 

Tax land instead of income, that sort of thing.