chem1st Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 And unregulated house building too, built by god knows who, to god knows what standard. I haven't called for lower building standards, I want higher ones, minimum room sizes and the likes, more generous than those of Parker Morris! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Umpley Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 No. I think the government should level the playing field and lower taxes. Tax land instead of income, that sort of thing. so sheep farmer. lots of land. low income. do we tax him to oblivion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I haven't said that it will. So full marks for the invention of some utopian ideal. We have idle land. We have people willing to grow food, actively wishing to pay for the privilege of doing so! (Let's not forget that one third of farms in this country are tenanted, primarily smaller farms, and that they are the most productive!) We have people who get agricultural subsidies for merely owning land and they leave it idle. We also have old people and disabled people with gardens that they cannot use - these people would be better suited to housing with communal gardens on the flat. I think that when we stop people from taking on a very small allotment to practise growing food we will rapidly lose our skill base, small suppliers of goods for these people will go out of business and that agriculture as a whole will suffer. Land benefits by being set aside. It's been the practice in Europe for thousands of years. They don't do it in brazil hence large swathes of desert appearing where there was first virgin forest then cattle pasture. Didn't that policy also help do in the Mayans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I haven't called for lower building standards, I want higher ones, minimum room sizes and the likes, more generous than those of Parker Morris! Then you've mellowed significantly over the last 6 months !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampent Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 so sheep farmer. lots of land. low income. do we tax him to oblivion? What? Have you ever seen a skint farmer? They all bleat and drive round in top end German cars. And have trendy tractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I haven't said that it will. So full marks for the invention of some utopian ideal. We have idle land. We have people willing to grow food, actively wishing to pay for the privilege of doing so! (Let's not forget that one third of farms in this country are tenanted, primarily smaller farms, and that they are the most productive!) We have people who get agricultural subsidies for merely owning land and they leave it idle. We also have old people and disabled people with gardens that they cannot use - these people would be better suited to housing with communal gardens on the flat. I think that when we stop people from taking on a very small allotment to practise growing food we will rapidly lose our skill base, small suppliers of goods for these people will go out of business and that agriculture as a whole will suffer. Well far be it from me to bring facts into it but have a look at your thread title. It's the poor growing their own food. You talk about "idle land" but you don't ever define it. It's seems you see a field with nothing apparently going on in your eyes and envisage a multitude of the poor gorging themselves on a variety of fruit and veg they have magically now grown in it. You have apparently no horticultural or agricultral knowledge yet have made ludicrously impractical mass market small scale agriculture your cri de coeur. It's a fantasy nonsense and even if it where vaguely practical then what as other posters have raised do you do in a year like this when "harvests" have been badly hit by weather conditions and the poor are all dependant on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parvo Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 how long have you been on the waiting list for allotments anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Umpley Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 What? Have you ever seen a skint farmer? They all bleat and drive round in top end German cars. And have trendy tractors. before i moved to sheffield i lived in a very rural area in county durham. the only wealthy people where the incommers. the farmers are small businessmen and are struggling like the rest of us. there's not much profit in farming sheep. so in answer to your question. yes i know a lot of skint farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampent Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 before i moved to sheffield i lived in a very rural area in county durham. the only wealthy people where the incommers. the farmers are small businessmen and are struggling like the rest of us. there's not much profit in farming sheep. so in answer to your question. yes i know a lot of skint farmers. Why do farmers drive round in top end cars then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Why do farmers drive round in top end cars then? They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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