Asylum seekers given amnesty

[boyfriday]

same as when i worked abroad in saudi follow our rules r get out

 

..ah good old Saudi eh? That champion of human rights, equality and fairness-to be perfectly frank I wouldn't send Nick Griffin to live there.

[iphonelover]

Too 'ot fer me fella!

 

Not in june. Humidity is annoying but its cooler. Its a beautiful country

[Iuchi_Zien]

..ah good old Saudi eh? That champion of human rights, equality and fairness-to be perfectly frank I wouldn't send Nick Griffin to live there.

 

I would, it might teach him a little humility, once he recovers from the beatings he gets from the Saudi police.

[Iuchi_Zien]

What's being continually (and conveniently) ignored by detractors on this thread, is that many (most?) illegal immigrants (including asylum seekers - until they declare themselves as such, all those without visas are illegal immigrants) can't get to the UK of their own initiative (because of existing procedures and services), and are helped in/brought in by specialist criminal network(s).

 

The problem isn't that the UK gives too many handouts (by and large, it doesn't...certainly less than Belgium, France or Germany, at any rate), the problem is that these criminal networks falsely advertise that the UK does, as much as they can, in countries of 'departure'. It's basic marketing, by criminals, for their gain. How surprising.

 

Until these networks are brought down (fat chance, too many vested interests and money at stake here and overseas), the trickle isn't going to stop. Ever. You can throw tax money at the problem in the UK all you want, it's just like that fable of the kid plugging holes in the dam with his fingers. So long as there's some coin to be made from passing illegals, criminals will keep having a go. And bringing in illegals is big money these days, a close second to drugs, essentially the same channels are used, with much less risk (with regard to sentencing for the passers).

 

So, there ya have it. Keep braying at the tree that hides the forest. Keep blaming those trying to better their lot (never mind escaping a life threat, eh?) After all, they're so much more visible than those who abuse them (and us) left, right and centre.

 

Well said!

[ricgem2002]

What's being continually (and conveniently) ignored by detractors on this thread, is that many (most?) illegal immigrants (including asylum seekers - until they declare themselves as such, all those without visas are illegal immigrants) can't get to the UK of their own initiative (because of existing procedures and services), and are helped in/brought in by specialist criminal network(s).

 

The problem isn't that the UK gives too many handouts (by and large, it doesn't...certainly less than Belgium, France or Germany, at any rate), the problem is that these criminal networks falsely advertise that the UK does, as much as they can, in countries of 'departure'. It's basic marketing, by criminals, for their gain. How surprising.

 

Until these networks are brought down (fat chance, too many vested interests and money at stake here and overseas), the trickle isn't going to stop. Ever. You can throw tax money at the problem in the UK all you want, it's just like that fable of the kid plugging holes in the dam with his fingers. So long as there's some coin to be made from passing illegals, criminals will keep having a go. And bringing in illegals is big money these days, a close second to drugs, essentially the same channels are used, with much less risk (with regard to sentencing for the passers).

 

So, there ya have it. Keep braying at the tree that hides the forest. Keep blaming those trying to better their lot (never mind escaping a life threat, eh?) After all, they're so much more visible than those who abuse them (and us) left, right and centre.

maybe they should try and change where they live before fleeing for a better life? you say the uk is less down the scale than other european countries in giving out handouts ( so why arnt they heading there)? i wonder how many of the 160 thousand+ plus are now either going to be in work or going to claim benefits ?also how many of the 94thousand who the governemt havent a clue where they are are now working illegally and not paying into the pot?

[retep]

Burnt down in the sixties.

 

 

 

To top it all off, The Great Depression in 1930 all but killed off the tourism trade and, in the coming years, the very real threat of German submarine activity dealt a knockout blow to casual tourism in the area. The hotel slipped into disrepair and one evening in 1936 a fire, which was said to have started in the kitchen area, almost burned the Titchfield to the ground and by all accounts, would have done just that except for divine intervention, i.e. a large tropical deluge of a rain storm (of which the area is famous for, in terms of 140 inches per year) opened up and helped drown out the blaze.

[Iuchi_Zien]

maybe they should try and change where they live before fleeing for a better life? you say the uk is less down the scale than other european countries in giving out handouts ( so why arnt they heading there)? i wonder how many of the 160 thousand+ plus are now either going to be in work or going to claim benefits ?also how many of the 94thousand who the governemt havent a clue where they are are now working illegally and not paying into the pot?

 

How much success are you having in changing where you live? And that's in a DEMOCRACY not a Dictatorship? Also how many employers are illegally employing those people and therefore undercutting legitimate employers by not paying minimum wage or any of the taxes that would normally be paid. How many of those employers ARE UK citizens?

[ricgem2002]

How much success are you having in changing where you live? And that's in a DEMOCRACY not a Dictatorship? Also how many employers are illegally employing those people and therefore undercutting legitimate employers by not paying minimum wage or any of the taxes that would normally be paid. How many of those employers ARE UK citizens?

we have a government which we vote in ,how succesfull they become in changing the country is out of our hands when they get the power. again your right about how many employers are illegally employing these people and starving the country of the taxes they should be paying .most of these employers maybe uk citizens but from what i see on the news/read in newspapers they all look of asian/indian/oriental appearance to me (i wonder why?)

[Mecky]

we have a government which we vote in ,how succesfull they become in changing the country is out of our hands when they get the power. again your right about how many employers are illegally employing these people and starving the country of the taxes they should be paying .most of these employers maybe uk citizens but from what i see on the news/read in newspapers they all look of asian/indian/oriental appearance to me (i wonder why?)

 

It's certainly true of the evidence I see on a daily basis and what's more, I suspect it is in family-owned businesses.

 

This and the previous government have tried to tighten up the system but it's made things much worse. The controls were tightened so much that people cannot now generally meet the criteria to be awarded leave and have resorted to an increase of migrant self-employed activity and salaried employment where evidence is fabricated to meet the rules or they simply just go to ground.

 

At the top end, if a migrant gets refused leave, they play the game and time it right so they get a full right of appeal. At the appeal, the Immigration Judges do not know what they are doing and more often than not, get it totally wrong and overturn the decision. Then there is the ECHR consideration, which is an absolute mine field, where an appeal can be allowed because someone wants to play chess on Wednesday afternoons and to remove them would infringe their human rights.

 

No matter what system is put in place, it will get abused. There are far too many people exhaustive testing the system and once a way through is found it is shared and exploited. The UKBA is massively underfunded and understaffed and the migrant knows this.

[Bounce]

I can tell you for certain that they are not

 

they are Iraqi kurds which have been allowed into Britain deliberately by the British government for propganda purposes. The Kurds hated the Saddam regime and supported the bombing and invasion of Iraq unlike most other Iraqis which makes them a good propganda tool in support of the war to be used on the British public.