wednesday1 Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 What more meets the eye? Wouldn't want to libel anyone Tone, but does it not strike you that there may be a conflict of interest? Like the comment at the bottom of the article says: "The council’s deputy leader, Lib Dem Paul Tilsley who is a board member of Service Birmingham, the council’s joint venture with Capita" This is a conflict of interest, he is being payed by the people of Birmingham to look after their interest and is being payed as a board member of Service to increase their profits. Capita is the UK's leading outsourcing company,where is their commitment to Birmingham jobs ?. This story stinks, greed over everything and everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andikay Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 All your double-speak and bluster does not get us away fro the facts that there are people here in the UK (either British or immigrant) who WANT to keep doing the work. Now the ConDem council wants to off-shore it. You have already changed your mind from wanting all tax payer funded jobs to be done in the UK by British works to being happy for tax payer funded jobs to be done in the UK by foreign workers. I am asking why create a job here and then invite a foreign worker to come here and do it, if it can be created in their country which is where they would prefer to stay if the work was available. Value for money is more important than who does the job and where they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 You have already changed your mind from wanting all tax payer funded jobs to be done in the UK by British works to being happy for tax payer funded jobs to be done in the UK by foreign workers. I am asking why create a job here and then invite a foreign worker to come here and do it, if it can be created in their country which is where they would prefer to stay if the work was available. Value for money is more important than who does the job and where they do it. :hihi:Yawn. As stated previously your arguments are hypothetical. There are people here in this country who want to do the work. The work may indeed be done, at face-value cheaper in India (or elsewhere) but would it necessarily be cheaper in the long-run, if as often happens, there is widespread disatisfaction with the new service. Some companies which have oursourced overseas have later rethought their policy and have brought them back to these shores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andikay Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 :hihi:Yawn. As stated previously your arguments are hypothetical. There are people here in this country who want to do the work. Originally Posted by wednesday1 Opposing the transfer of jobs overseas is nothing to do with racism, it doesn't matter whether they are going to India or anywhere else, it is the fact that they are jobs funded by the taxpayer and should therefore stay in this country, in my opinion. I’m contesting your argument that all tax payer funded jobs should stay in the UK which so far you have failed to answer. Why does it matter who does the job as long as we get value for money? Why does it matter if the job is done abroad by a foreign worker or the job is done here by a foreign worker? It’s got to be better for the foreign worker where possible to do the job in their home country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 I’m contesting your argument that all tax payer funded jobs should stay in the UK which so far you have failed to answer. Why does it matter who does the job as long as we get value for money?Why does it matter if the job is done abroad by a foreign worker or the job is done here by a foreign worker? It’s got to be better for the foreign worker where possible to do the job in their home country Because it's not just about money, the council also has the employment of the people they represent to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andikay Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Because it's not just about money, the council also has the employment of the people they represent to consider. If the jobs were just for British works you would have a point and you wouldn't get an argument from me, but there is no guarantee the jobs are for British workers they are just as likely for foreign workers moving here to do the job. So it doesn’t matter if the job is done here or another country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Because it's not just about money, the council also has the employment of the people they represent to consider. Since when did Councils have a responsibility to provide employment for the "people they represent" ??? I don't see Sheffield City Council bending over backwards to provide employment for people. You want a job.. get out there and get one. Its not impossible. Im pretty sure the 100 or so if/when they are made redundant will be able to get out there and do something else. In the meantime its less money out of the government purse paying all their salaries.... hence a saving is made. That's the whole point. The jobs will probably be done better and more importantly cheaper overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuchi_Zien Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 If the jobs were just for British works you would have a point and you wouldn't get an argument from me, but there is no guarantee the jobs are for British workers they are just as likely for foreign workers moving here to do the job. So it doesn’t matter if the job is done here or another country. Does it really matter whether the jobs, if based in the UK were employing EU or UK workers? The fact remains that they pay TAX in the UK, they buy their food etc in the UK thereby returning some of the cost of the call centre to the UK economy. How exactly does the UK economy benefit by tranfering the jobs to India? Especially considering that English is, primarily, a second language. Those with the best English are head-hunted to the more profitable call centres, leaving only those with poor English skills. As their English improves they jump ship to better paying call centres and are replaced with further poor English speakers. And don't think that Birmingham Council is going to be using the most expensive call centres! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuchi_Zien Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Since when did Councils have a responsibility to provide employment for the "people they represent" ??? I don't see Sheffield City Council bending over backwards to provide employment for people. You want a job.. get out there and get one. Its not impossible. Im pretty sure the 100 or so if/when they are made redundant will be able to get out there and do something else. In the meantime its less money out of the government purse paying all their salaries.... hence a saving is made. That's the whole point. The jobs will probably be done better and more importantly cheaper overseas. You base these sweeping judgements on what exactly? According to Government statistics there are 467,000 jobs out there (June-Aug 2010) Care to take a guess at the number of people claiming JSA which incidently is NOT the number of people unemployed. It is the number of people with no wage earner in their family. Well the same figures say 2.47 million, 5 people for every job. Add in the total number of unemployed and you reach 9.26 million. 18 people for every job. And you have the cheek to say get out there and get one You need to start living in the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 British people come first before any consideration of saving money/profit. If that's not the case, the UK is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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