rubydazzler Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Therein lies the truth. It's OK for men to be oggled and abused, but not women (both entering the "profession" willingly). Hypocrisy runs rife throughout the "feminist" movement. oh come on, give it a rest. Men who do strip shows do it because they're exhibitionists and they like the feeling of power they get. That's the impression they give anyway. And it doesn't rub off on other men in the way it does on women. Because one or two men decide to take their clothes off for a living, women don't assume that all men are fair game an their 'favours' can be bought and sold on a whim. That's the whole point of the debate. Do we have any male strippers or escorts on SF who can give us their point of view about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You clearly have no idea of the kind of harassment women experience. You are clearly trying to push an agenda far deeper than the one under discussion (the protests at a private club). Why not start your own thread about the history of abuse that women have to endure, rather than taking a (semi-sensible) debate into one of your own making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Prime Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You feminists are just jealous because you can't do it. Try it, you may be suprised Wheres your dignity when your £1000s in debt? When you got £1000s in the bank, people can't wait to kiss your a**. People will bend over backwards to accomodate you, the mortgage providers "ar Miss Boobs - you got £50,000 to put down on your house, ar yes, we can certainly accomodate you" or " I see Miss Dignity, you are on the minimum wage, you have got £30,000 debt from university, you want a house, well get lost" NOt to mention the banks that love to kick people when there down I can empathise with that point of view, however where do you draw the line? Imagine you're in that debt and some rich bloke offers to pay it all off if you let him have his way with you for one night. Imagine if he wasn't even repulsive, would you say to yourself "who cares? It's just a one off and nobody will ever know"? You obviously consider yourself attractive so answer that question as if you personally are in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Because one or two men decide to take their clothes off for a living, women don't assume that all men are fair game an their 'favours' can be bought and sold on a whim. Nor do the majority of men. No matter how many time you try to make a link between these private clubs and abuse, you will still be wrong. The women are the abusers in these cases, not the men. It is they that are being exploited, not the women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You are clearly trying to push an agenda far deeper than the one under discussion (the protests at a private club). Why not start your own thread about the history of abuse that women have to endure, rather than taking a (semi-sensible) debate into one of your own making. *sigh* If you bothered to listen to what some of the protesters are saying then you will find that they share similar concerns. Wouldn't it be lovely if everything could be so compartmentalised, if it could be then most feminists would not have an issue with Playboy et al? However, it cannot be discussed intelligently or intellectually in isolation and without contextualisation of the wider issues. However, some people clearly cannot grasp this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 oh come on, give it a rest. Men who do strip shows do it because they're exhibitionists and they like the feeling of power they get. That's the impression they give anyway. And it doesn't rub off on other men in the way it does on women. Because one or two men decide to take their clothes off for a living, women don't assume that all men are fair game an their 'favours' can be bought and sold on a whim. That's the whole point of the debate. Do we have any male strippers or escorts on SF who can give us their point of view about this? Your hormones are playing up again Ruby... Can't you see how how contradictory and sexist you're being? How do you know how men think. Unless you're really a man?.. Its very sexist indeed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 *sigh* If you bothered to listen to what some of the protesters are saying then you will find that they share similar concerns. Wouldn't it be lovely if everything could be so compartmentalised, if it could be then most feminists would not have an issue with Playboy et al? However, it cannot be discussed intelligently or intellectually in isolation and without contextualisation of the wider issues. However, some people clearly cannot grasp this. Nobody in there right mind would want anything but equality. The protesters are doing for womens rights what the Muslim burn a poppy protesters did for race relations. Misguided, counter productive and ill thought..IMO:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubydazzler Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Ah, Mr Prime, but what if hollie11 isn't slim or limber enough to dance around a pole? We must have equality, being a minger shouldn't stop her from having the same advantages as her prettier sisters. After all her degree is going to cost her the same, she's not going to get a 'bulldog face' deduction, is she? Maybe there could be special clubs for the ugly people, or a bag on the head might suffice? She should have her chance to make shedloads of money taking her clothes off for money, I won't accept anything else for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Nobody in there right mind would want anything but equality. The protesters are doing for womens rights what the Muslim burn a poppy protesters did for race relations. Misguided, counter productive and ill thought..IMO:D But you're arguing that there is equality for women vis a vis a virtually non-existent sex industry for us. Firstly, there isn't and even if there were, it still does not make it right. Secondly, the negative effects and impact on the male population at large is not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digglydog Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I've been trying to get across this point, to no avail. Yes, well said TJC1 Playboy may not be as 'bad' as strip joints, lapdancing clubs etc, however, like lads' mags, Hooters and the like, it portrays the sexual objectification of women for male pleasure as harmless fun, totally normal and something that both women and men should buy into. This has a negative impact on all women. According to this mentality, I should welcome aggressive sexual comments on the street when I walk home at night, or just going about my daily business, I should feel flattered when idiots wolf whistle, I should not complain if a colleague makes sexual advances all because this type of male behaviour is considered to be normal, fun and harmless - and that's what women are there for. Why do you think female politicians are constantly judged on their appearance and sex appeal, making it harder for them to do their jobs? Why are women lining up in their thousands to get expensive and potentially dangerous plastic surgery? Why do men think they have a right to access prostitutes, so fuelling global trafficking in women and girls and forcing vulnerable women to choose to sell sex in order to make ends meet, or feed their drug habit? No, of course this isn't all directly because of Playboy but Playboy buys into and profits massively off the image of women as sex objects for men, and this is an image and a belief that underlies all the problems and abuses outlined above and all sexual violence against women. Excellent post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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