Longcol Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 So far as the official meanings go, you've answered your own question. Any urban area that falls inside a city council is a suburb of the city (unless it's the city centre itself, of course) and not a town in its own right. Any urban area outside of a city council is a town, or a village, or a hamlet. In practical terms, I don't know of anyone who would deny that Stocksbridge is a town. It's not connected to Sheffield in the slightest. Officially, though, that's irrelevant; once the city boundary swallowed up Stocksbridge, it became a suburb. Killamarsh falls in north-east Derbyshire district council and is therefore not a suburb of anywhere; it's a village - even though, in realistic terms, it's more a part of Sheffield than Stocksbridge could be said to be! Stocksbridge can still call itself a town apparantly - prior to local government reorganisation in the early 1970's it was a town and therefore is now designated a "successor parish". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor_parish I'd still contend Bradfield, Wharnsliffe Side etc per my earlier post are still to all intents and purposes villages rather than suburbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'd still contend Bradfield, Wharnsliffe Side etc per my earlier post are still to all intents and purposes villages rather than suburbs. I wouldn't disagree, but I was (in the thread mentioned in the OP) being specific about Hillsborough; on this thread I've been using the official definition of town and city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I wouldn't disagree, but I was (in the thread mentioned in the OP) being specific about Hillsborough; on this thread I've been using the official definition of town and city. I agree with your definition of Hillsborough as a suburb - and it has been for at least the last 100 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'd still contend Bradfield, Wharnsliffe Side etc per my earlier post are still to all intents and purposes villages rather than suburbs. I would agree with you, but official terminology probably does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Whilst both are within the Sheffield City Council boundaries, I would consider there is a good case for both Stocksbridge and Chapeltown to be viewed as "towns" given their size and their physical separation from Sheffield. Certainly Stocksbridge used to have its own town council prior to being incorporated unto Sheffield in 1972. You could certainly say that places like Bradfield, Dungworth, Wharncliffe Side and Oughtibridge were separate villages. The places mentioned in previous posts eg Dore, Totley, Hillsborough, Mosborough etc I'd class as suburbs these days. I believe historically there was never a village of Hillsborough. The nearest was Owlerton. Hillsborough area took its name from Hillsborough Hall, built by Thomas Steade in 1779. He apparently named the Hall after Lord Downside’s residence in County Down, Northern Ireland which was also called Hillsborough.Apparently he was an admirer of Lord Downside who was a patron As the area developed in later years, Hillsborough grew up as a suburb without ever having been a village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I believe historically there was never a village of Hillsborough. The nearest was Owlerton. Hillsborough area took its name from Hillsborough Hall, built by Thomas Steade in 1779. As the area developed in later years, Hillsborough grew up as a suburb without ever having been a village. I wouldn't disagree with that. Like most cities in this country, Sheffield grew rapidly in the 1800's and as well as engulfing surrounding villages, developed suburbs were nothing had been before (except perhaps the odd farm and a pair of cottages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 It's usually fairly easy to identify the dead centre of a village, town or city, but given that the one in Sheffield closed in 1978, it's a good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechpete Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Stocksbridge can still call itself a town apparantly - prior to local government reorganisation in the early 1970's it was a town and therefore is now designated a "successor parish". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor_parish I'd still contend Bradfield, Wharnsliffe Side etc per my earlier post are still to all intents and purposes villages rather than suburbs. I think that Bradfield is civil parish. It did not elect councilors to the city council this year. It seems that some officials class it as a village http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/towns/bradfield.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosyRat Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I think that Bradfield is civil parish. It did not elect councilors to the city council this year. It seems that some officials class it as a village http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/towns/bradfield.php Bradfield never elects councillors to the City Council. It elects Parish Councillors to Bradfield Parish Council. As far as the City Council is concerned, Bradfield is part of Stannington ward, which elects councillors to the City Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechpete Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Bradfield never elects councillors to the City Council. It elects Parish Councillors to Bradfield Parish Council. As far as the City Council is concerned, Bradfield is part of Stannington ward, which elects councillors to the City Council. Oops my bad. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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