Fletch Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 This is a question a put to my mates ages ago and have only just remembered it Which do you think came first history or geography?? I think geography came first because without georaphy there would be no history for eg: if theThames wasnt there London would be there But if the continents hadnt of moved apart neither London or the Thames would be there. People Help Me And Debate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Surely they are holding hands and skipping along, TOGETHER? How can either come first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 yeh but one must of come first. why arnt they the same thing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomme Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Well for history we need 'time' to exist, and for geography we need 'space' to exist. So we could rephrase the question to : 'Which came first: time or space?' Isn't this the type of question Stephen Hawking spends all day trying to answer? I guess there is no right or wrong answer and that should any answer be forthcoming would be dependent on the persons beliefs and perception of the origin of the universe. 42 Nomme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Well as a matter of fact neither had to have come first They are part of the same discipline although they both cover things the other doesnt too. History can be social history for instance, or history of ideas, just as much as "a list of things that happened in the past, and in the right order." Geography can be about geomorphology (which is I suspect what you are referring to, the physical creation of the landmass etc) or about the weather and how it is created and how it works (meteorology) (spelling?) or about population studies etc. If what you are saying is "Once upon a time a glacier formed and pushed its way down a bit of land mass, creating the seven hills that Sheffield stands on" then that is obviously history and geography at the same time. They came together How unlike the life of our own dear Queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 i sort of agree Belle but then why are they not the same thing? and if the glacier did form was that history or geography? because there must have been something there before it (history) which caused they glacier to form (geography)? what if i ask the question which one affects the other the most? does history effect geography more than geography effects history??? Fletch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 In some sense they ARE the same thing I studied them together for instance under a general heading of "humanities" What came before the glacier, as well as history, was some temperature changes and weather extremes to help create them, which is geography again of course. I am tempted to point you back at Nomme and say "42" sagely, but these are the kind of thoughts that feed you and stretch you, so I should encourage you to keep going. History, or rather time, which isnt necessarily the same thing, has a big effect on Geography in that most land forms, rivers, mountains, rocks etc have taken literally ages to come to be at the stage we currently find them. You will know that sand was once a rock that got bashed up by the sea etc, and you will know that it didnt all happen during an afternoon. Geography has a massive effect on History in that it took much longer for instance for man to traverse the globe or find new places to live because of the vast expanses of water in the way and because of terrible dry deserts. The geography of Snowdonia protected the Welsh against invasion most of the time, the geography of the north atlantic sunk an ocean liner... The answer is probably that you may choose the answer for yourself. As long as you argue it well, it will be fine. In actual fact it isnt a question with a right or wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 i dont understand the 42 bit???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Sorry Fletch I was taking too much for granted 42 is the answer to life, the meaning of the universe and everything "The answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything, as given by the supercomputer Deep Thought to a group of mice in Douglas Adams's comic science fiction series The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is "42". According to the Guide, mice are 3-dimensional profiles of a pan-dimensional, hyper-intelligent race of beings. They built Deep Thought, the second greatest computer of all time and space, to tell them the answer to the question of life, the universe and everything. After seven and a half million years the computer divulges the answer: 42. "Forty-two!" yelled Loonquawl. "Is that all you've got to show for seven and a half million years' work?" "I checked it very thoroughly," said the computer, "and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." The computer informs the researchers that it will build them a second and greater computer, incorporating living beings as part of its computational matrix, to tell them what the question is. That computer was called Earth and was so big that it was often mistaken for a planet. The question was lost minutes before it was to be outputted, due to the Vogons' demolition of the Earth, supposedly to build a hyperspace bypass. (Later in the series, it is revealed that the Vogons had been hired to destroy the Earth by a consortium of philosophers and psychiatrists who feared for their jobs should the meaning of life become common knowledge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 There is a link here with some proposed questions, to which 42 might reasonably be the answer, incidentally http://www.flwyd.dhs.org/contests/mol.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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