upinwath Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Maybe they're just crap at their jobs and deserve to close down. http://www.transportxtra.com/magazines/transit/news/?ID=15317 Bombardier chairman apologises for late delivery of trains Bombardier Transportation’s UK chairman Colin Walton has apologised for the delayed delivery of new rolling stock to First Capital Connect which has seen several London commuter operators assist FCC in developing contingency plans. Bombardier came under fire from FCC earlier this month over its failure to deliver new Electrostar trains which the TOC needed to provide a new timetable designed to facilitate Thameslink works at Blackfriars station. It seems they have a record of being so crap they can't deliver on time. What do they expect? The government has made the right choice in so far as they kicked out the UK factory from the running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Maybe they're just crap at their jobs and deserve to close down. http://www.transportxtra.com/magazines/transit/news/?ID=15317 It seems they have a record of being so crap they can't deliver on time. What do they expect? The government has made the right choice in so far as they kicked out the UK factory from the running. I did mention recent delivery problems in my first post. I also mentioned Siemens have had problems recently too... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport-environment/glitches-on-new-trains-mean-six-month-delay-to-services-1.1077587 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Interesting press release on the Siemens UK web site: Siemens envisages that as a direct result of the Thameslink Rolling Stock procurement project it will create up to 2,000 new jobs. Up to 600 highly skilled roles involved in the manufacture of train components will be created, including up to 300 at a Siemens' factory in Hebburn, South Tyneside. The remainder will be created within Siemens supply chain across the UK An "expert" on BBC Breakfast this morning said that Siemens trains were simply cheaper and better built. And this reports on the reliability of the Bombardier trains: Meanwhile, let us not forget, Bombardier is the company whose faulty new tube trains have been blamed for the poor running of the Victoria line for much of the past year. Trains were sent out without being properly tested first resulting in delays due to door failures and faulty on-board computers. As we reported in January, it officially became the new Misery Line for commuters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 And Labour created countless jobs did they? Just ask the ordinary bank employees. Oh sorry I forgot, they were all in the public sector, were they not? You're really grasping at straws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 this is not the governments fault, in fact its illegal for them to force this company to choose a british firm. this is the english disease. we play by the rules while everyone else bends or breaks them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Interesting press release on the Siemens UK web site: An "expert" on BBC Breakfast this morning said that Siemens trains were simply cheaper and better built. The 2000 jobs will be in the maintainance of the trains, which would be needed regardless of who won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The 2000 jobs will be in the maintainance of the trains, which would be needed regardless of who won You seemed to have cut out part of my quote which said that 600 jobs will be in manufacture, nothing there about maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 You're really grasping at straws Oh sorry, I forgot, the coalition government are responsible for the recession, they regulated the banks and it was they who persuaded Gordon Brown to create quango after quango. And I didn't grasp at one single straw, have you thought of another name for your right hand yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 You seemed to have cut out part of my quote which said that 600 jobs will be in manufacture, nothing there about maintenance. And you seem to miss the fact that it is component manufacter and supply chain jobs, there are thousands of those at risk now Bombardier have lost. The 1400 figure doesnt begin to take into account the potential losses in the supply chain. From my link earlier: "Fresh technical problems to a fleet of of new ScotRail trains have delayed the introduction of some rail services by at least six months. Only 10 of the 38 Class 380 electric trains due for use on routes connecting Ayrshire, Inverclyde and Renfrewshire to Glasgow have so far entered service, with ScotRail refusing to accept any more until the problems are sorted out. The delay has had a knock-on effect on services which were due to operate between Glasgow Central and Edinburgh every 15 minutes from last month after a £300 million project to complete the missing section of track between Airdrie and Bathgate. ScotRail has already put in place an introductory timetable, as it is reliant on using the trains due to be freed up when the 380s are introduced, and has now confirmed that the 15-minute service has been put off until at least May. The operator was supposed to have taken delivery of 24 of the trains by now from German manufacturer Siemens, paid for with £200m of Scottish Government funding, but has complained that a series of technical problems have dogged their performance. The Herald revealed in October that software issues with the new trains had caused a number of breakdowns and led to ScotRail to suspend testing and delay their introduction. The latest problem, which first emerged in November, relates to the trains’ auxiliary power, and affects lighting, heating and air conditioning. A ScotRail spokesman confirmed the company has advised the manufacturer that it will not accept any more trains until all the problems are resolved and reliable operation is proven. He said: “We have made clear our disappointment to Siemens that the problems with the trains continue. We are pressing the manufacturer to introduce modifications as soon as possible to mitigate the impact on Airdrie-Bathgate services – and see more new trains on Ayrshire, Inverclyde and Renfrewshire routes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 This is true and im sure questions will be asked as to why it wasn't the most competitive bid. But when Germany, France and even Japan employ protectionist policies, the question has to be asked why we do not do the same in some cases. 1400 jobs going to the wall plus countless more in the supply chain hardly gives the taxpayer value for money, especially when both companies have proven track records. This isnt about a superior product, it is simply about money. It's supposed to be about money isn't it, we're supposed to want to get the best value we can for our tax £££, not support British industry despite it being unable to compete competitively... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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