ricgem2002 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 From what I've heard we are tied into some kind of EU contract that prevents protectionism, unfortunately we seem to be the only country in Europe that adheres to it, all the rest ignore it and give work to their own workers -as we should start doing.. from 1st oct 2011 all agency workers in this country will have to work 12 weeks before they will be eligible for the same rights as workers employed "on the books". yet if you work in say france,germany for example the same rights start on day one so why arnt we the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 From what I've heard we are tied into some kind of EU contract that prevents protectionism, unfortunately we seem to be the only country in Europe that adheres to it, all the rest ignore it and give work to their own workers -as we should start doing..Explained to you a short while back, I've excerpted and highlighted the relevant bits:<...> I heard yesterday that the reason why the UK could not replicate the "protectionism" of sorts witnessed in France and Germany, is because certain parameters were left out of the tender specification (something about local employment/local social fabric/etc. criteria - the "social clause"). As far as I can tell, the tender specification was prepared under a Labour administration. QED. Maybe the relevant (supposedly apolitical) civil servant(s) should have done their homework? Or (in a rather uncharacteristic display of good public service management in the best interest of taxpayers) paid for specialist procurement law advisers to review the tender spec prior to release? Regardless, the relevant political appointee of the day signed off on the tender spec and, from that moment onwards, the Gvt/Council/etc. were bound by EU procurement law. It's not the EU's fault (the EU makes sure UK companies can bid for FR, DE, etc. contracts, and reciprocally) and it's not French or German companies' fault either (that their bid workers know EU procurement law better than their Brit counterparts) Do please keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1977 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 From what I've heard we are tied into some kind of EU contract that prevents protectionism, unfortunately we seem to be the only country in Europe that adheres to it, all the rest ignore it and give work to their own workers -as we should start doing.. Be that as it may but surely if the Bombardier bid for the work was the better deal they would have won the contract over Siemans. There isnt any stupid EU rule saying the work must have been giving to a non UK based company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 No, never claimed benefits of any description in my life. Though not a fan of George Galloway, I think he sums things up quite nicely here! http://youtu.be/lsPlqXDrgf4 How? He doesnt do anything except hector and dictate and abuse people when they don't agree with his point. Kind of like a lot of people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 How? He doesnt do anything except hector and dictate and abuse people when they don't agree with his point. Kind of like a lot of people on here. There's always the L***s Forum for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 See what I mean - proof of the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 This article in yesterdays Guardian lays the decline in the UK train building industry squarely at the door of Thatchers privatisation on British Rail Engineering Ltd (BREL) in the '80's: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/11/decline-britains-train-manufacturing-industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 My god........ That's quality guardian journalism. I can see them sat in the newsroom now....... "Shall we spend time doing some research as to the reasons for decline of the sector over the past 20 years and detailed reasons why the current suppliers bid failed?" ... "nah, just blame thatcher" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 This article in yesterdays Guardian lays the decline in the UK train building industry squarely at the door of Thatchers privatisation on British Rail Engineering Ltd (BREL) in the '80's: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/11/decline-britains-train-manufacturing-industry Yet privatised companies like BT and British Gas has gone from strength to strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Spot on. You can't blame the government forever. You have to look at how the company is run. Plenty of people have made good money out of privatasation and they weren't all executives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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