Bassman62 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 ah, B. in a 'very good state' according to whom? The people still had nothing. Nothing changed on the ground, except the fact that there was a different monster in charge. In most cases one more or less handpicked by the old powers. And the 'aid', as it still does, came with so many stings as to be pretty much just protection money for the old status quo. not saying that nothing good came out of it all. a lot did. but don't get it twisted and say 'we left it in a good state'. the Romans probably said the same thing when they went back home and left the Britons to it. would they have been right to say they 'left the place is a good state'? Well you would say that, but it doeasn't alter the fact the the former British Colonies were left with an up to date infrastructure and civil service system where many employed were native Africans, just because they cocked it up after we left is not our fault they were the ones who demanded independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Well you would say that, but it doeasn't alter the fact the the former British Colonies were left with an up to date infrastructure and civil service system where many employed were native Africans, just because they cocked it up after we left is not our fault they were the ones who demanded independence. I wasn't aware that Ethopia or the bulk of Somalia were former British Colonies - when was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I'm saying our aid money buys guns our aid money makes the situation worse. I've seen it. In sierra leone might it help to keep in mind that there are 52 countries in africa, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Who's this their? The warlords don't really care for the large numbers of starving people - especially if they're other "tribes" or religion. So we should take over their responsibilities whilst they continue with their piracy, selling their livestock for arms, they're allowed to distinguish between different tribes/religions of their own people as to who starves whilst they fight and Highjack. It seems you're now agreeing that our money is funding their warlords and pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 might it help to keep in mind that there are 52 countries in africa, more or less. It might help if you showed the 50 thriving African economies after you've taken Etiopia and Somalia out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Well you would say that, but it doeasn't alter the fact the the former British Colonies were left with an up to date infrastructure and civil service system where many employed were native Africans, just because they cocked it up after we left is not our fault they were the ones who demanded independence. They 'demanded' independence? And what would you have them do? Be glad they get to be employed as farm hands etc? All this is besides the point, anyway. Freedom and self-determination are every human beings birth right. what we have is the situation at hand. and the question, without saying 'should have, could have...', is what's the best way forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 It might help if you showed the 50 thriving African economies after you've taken Etiopia and Somalia out of the equation. The thread is about the "Horn of Africa" as far as I can tell. Have another 50 countries moved there? The situation in the Horn is nothing to do with poor government of a legacy left by the British Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Back on topic please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 It might help if you showed the 50 thriving African economies after you've taken Etiopia and Somalia out of the equation. Many are doing just fine, many have problems, and many are downright in flames. Like many places in the world. It happens everywhere where nations are still pretty much in infancy or... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 If every warlord downed weapons and became saints overnight there'd still be a famine. You've completely overlooked the fact that Somalia has again encountered sustained severe drought, and yet again you still babble on about pirates as if somehow a woman and her child are somehow responsible. Strange isn't it that you didn't pick up on Longcol claiming that they sold their livestock for arms, from this we must presume that the livestock was fit, healthy, well fed and watered to be sold for arms. Now which part of their wives and children are not fit, healthy, well fed and watered don't you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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