frank ryan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 matthew paris can you name any non-atheist tories? oh come on, you can't say name non atheist tories, being C of E is part of the high tory tradition and matthew paris was a brave exception whose coming out led to his NOT being a tory MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 David Starkey a reactionary old fart, well I never! Whoever would have thunk! His programmes on history were excellent, nontheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank ryan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 David Starkey a reactionary old fart, well I never! Whoever would have thunk! His programmes on history were excellent, nontheless. they weren't great for god's sake, they were about how great kings and flawed kings formed and twisted history by their personalities - history has moved on from that - people, inventions, politics, environments shape history and starkey's monarchical obsession is laughed at in genuine historical circles. he's gone from being laughable to unacceptable after his newsnight rant. the dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 they weren't great for god's sake, they were about how great kings and flawed kings formed and twisted history by their personalities - history has moved on from that - people, inventions, politics, environments shape history and starkey's monarchical obsession is laughed at in genuine historical circles. he's gone from being laughable to unacceptable after his newsnight rant. the dick My bold - stop being a total pillock. Most historians will specialise, for some historians it will be the history of a certain geographical area, some it will be a specific period, for others it will be Monarchies. You're just starting to sound desperate now. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 tee hee - I don't pretend to still have the same voice as I did when I was younger, I just have. I went to university in '79 with a horrible mancy accent and still have the remnants of it. when my equally mancy friends met over the years, there were some who became increasingly RP, perhaps there were some posh kids who affected more 'street' accents for the same reason, but staying the same cos I'm happy with how I speak is hardly dragging my past like a ball and chain is it? starkey would disagree, he clearly believes in reinventing himself in a 'posh' sterotype. the dick. Fair play to you, nothing wrong with that, but why hold it against people that change and move on? It's just irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six45ive Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Just type in gay tory MPs to Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPat Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 'numerous'? until very recently, there were none -can you name any? in thatcher's time anti gay legislation was being passed, can you name a single gay tory MP until recently? william hague can't break out of his closet even now and who the hell does he think he's kidding. atheist tory MPs - can you name one of them? I can't. PS so I have one what? Edward Heath ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I just read his profile on Wikipedia and he's from a working class background, so if anything he's a working class twit. Starkey was born the only child of Quaker parents in 1945 at Kendal, Westmorland. His parents, Robert Starkey and Elsie Lyon, married 10 years previously, in Bolton, at a Friends meeting house. Robert had a career as an engineer, whilst Elsie was working as a cotton weaver, as her father Benjamin Lyon had done before her. His mother, a strong personality who worked as a cleaner during his upbringing, had a powerful influence on Starkey's formative years; he portrays his father, Robert Starkey, an industrial worker, as a somewhat ineffectual man. Starkey was born with club feet and at the age of four Starkey suffered from polio. David Starkey was, according to himself, raised in an austere, frugal environment of near-poverty, with his parents often unemployed for long periods of time, an environment which, he later stated, taught him "the value of money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 So he is a Tory and atheist and gay Still, at least he's not black like Derek Laud http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4311070.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladesman Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I just read his profile on Wikipedia and he's from a working class background, so if anything he's a working class twit. Starkey was born the only child of Quaker parents in 1945 at Kendal, Westmorland. His parents, Robert Starkey and Elsie Lyon, married 10 years previously, in Bolton, at a Friends meeting house. Robert had a career as an engineer, whilst Elsie was working as a cotton weaver, as her father Benjamin Lyon had done before her. His mother, a strong personality who worked as a cleaner during his upbringing, had a powerful influence on Starkey's formative years; he portrays his father, Robert Starkey, an industrial worker, as a somewhat ineffectual man. Starkey was born with club feet and at the age of four Starkey suffered from polio. David Starkey was, according to himself, raised in an austere, frugal environment of near-poverty, with his parents often unemployed for long periods of time, an environment which, he later stated, taught him "the value of money" If its on Wikipedia he could be from Mars nevermind Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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