taxman Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Well Charlie Gilmour got 16 months for swinging from the Centaph and throwing a dustbin whilst out of his head on booze and drugs. It will be interesting to see the levels of sentencing for those who went on a violent, looting rampage, robbing anything they could get their hands on, assaulting anyone in their path and setting fire to peoples' homes and businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Let's have the consequence of crime be of a level which will deter crime in the first place. Harsh penalties do not deter crime. There any number of examples to prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Harsh penalties do not deter crime. There any number of examples to prove that. Harsh penalties will never stop all crime,but the probability of being caught and receiving a stiff sentence will certainly deter many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Harsh penalties will never stop all crime,but the probability of being caught and receiving a stiff sentence will certainly deter many. It will not. It does not. There are countries with far stiffer sentences than ours and a higher crime rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_words Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 It will not. It does not. There are countries with far stiffer sentences than ours and a higher crime rate. Do we any evidence or statistics of what does work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomdido Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Harsh penalties will never stop all crime,but the probability of being caught and receiving a stiff sentence will certainly deter many. On what evidence do you rest that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Do we any evidence or statistics of what does work? Statistics, no, not that I'm aware. There are plenty of countries with harsh sentencing and a low crime rate; with harsh sentencing and a high crime rate; with lenient sentencing and a low crime rate; with lenient sentencing and a high crime rate. There must be other factors at play that determine how likely the people in a given society are to turn to crime. It's not easy to find out exactly what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Looting is not petty pilfering. You could have been shot on sight for looting during the blitz. Who in their right mind would have gone looting during the blitz? They'd have been bombed along with the riot squad before they got shot. There's a lovely story from the North East I've cut and pasted from the Guardian website about a 17 years old father who's on remand for rioting. A father at 17 and now banged up for rioting. "A father broke down in tears as his teenage son was remanded in custody charged with one of the few incidents of trouble last week in north-east England. The man was comforted by his wife as the 17-year-old was led away after being accused of violent disorder in which a police station in Washington, near Sunderland, was attacked and a patrol car set on fire. The defendant, who cannot be named for legal reasons, looked distraught when bail was denied. His solicitor had said the teenager was "desperate" to see his own toddler son after spending the weekend in jail." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_words Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Statistics, no, not that I'm aware. There are plenty of countries with harsh sentencing and a low crime rate; with harsh sentencing and a high crime rate; with lenient sentencing and a low crime rate; with lenient sentencing and a high crime rate. There must be other factors at play that determine how likely the people in a given society are to turn to crime. It's not easy to find out exactly what they are. Agreed... Welcome to lecture 1 of the school of SF... required reading is any of the following... Make wild assumptions then post them here so they can get shot down by us cynics! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Crime_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Crime_Victims_Survey http://rechten.uvt.nl/icvs/images/graph05.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=influences+of+crime&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart http://law.jrank.org/pages/813/Crime-Causation-Psychological-Theories.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_delinquency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncocker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Harsh penalties do not deter crime. There any number of examples to prove that. have you ever lived in a country where they have harsh penalties ? just two I've been in recently china ...you can walk the streets and parks at night time and be safe .I;ve been in parks in beijing and shanghai at 10;30 at night and people are sat around talking or dancing or playing music making their own entertainment..civilized and safe burma I've walked the streets of most of the major citys and small towns late at night no street lights no electricty (you need a torch all the time) and you feel safe . what have they got in common.? harsh penalties and people respect and or are frightend of the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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