Can't Britain just close and say we are full up?

[Chris_Sleeps]

Do you think white South Africans are indigenous to South Africa. And do you think they have the right to govern if they are?

No, white people are descended from European Settlers. I don't think being indigenous gives people any more or less right to live or work somewhere though.

 

I presume you're clarifying who is 'a Briton' and not making a list of who you want thrown out of the country?

[azazel666]

Wrong. We need more younger workers to look after our ageing population for a start.

 

That's all very "quick fix".....the more people in the country now the more burden we pass on to our descendants when the young people get old.....

 

We need to make sure that we use what we have...promoting the care industry and good schooling to lead people into decent career paths.

 

This is not going to happen in areas with exploding populations.

[Kaimani]

No unfortunately they can't. It takes a lot longer than a generation to become indigenous. Black races are not indigenous to England. They're indigenous to Africa. I'm not indigenous to Africa, because I'm white and the effects of climate are the best clue to where someone is indigenous to.

 

The people who date back to the 12th century are still not indigenous I'm afraid. Black people are not indigenous to these isles. That doesn't distract from their in put into the country and their right to be here.

 

Can I ask you if you think white South Africans are indigenous to South Africa and if they are why have they been dislodged from power. If its their country after all?

 

i was using your logic of indeginous, as you put it: "To claim to be indigenous, in my opinion, you will have to have some connection with the country going back 100s of years."

 

by that defenition the meet the criteria.

 

as for the white south africans, and any other white africans, yes, i think they're just as african as i, or any other black african, is. no question.

 

as for why the south african apartheid system. well, it was the system and the people taht propped it up that were removed. not 'white people wholesale. there are white people in the gorvernment still. and it's still their country. they were, as you put it, dislodged from power, because they were unjust. like any other unjust system should be.

[Kaimani]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples

 

A discription of what indigenous means..

 

NO. that is the description of what 'indeginous peoples' mean in an antropological or sociological sense. that's not the same as, simply, 'indeginous'.

 

this is what indeginous means:

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/indigenous

 

http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/indigenous/

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indigenous

 

 

seems to me anyone born in any country can claim to be indeginous to it regardless of race.

[Kaimani]

The white USA and Australian citizens aren't in my opinion indigenous to those lands. The native indigenous Indians are.

 

Why would an African, for example, want to claim to be indigenous anyway, what's up with claiming to be indigenous to Africa?

 

Basically the debate is about white people claiming to have something unique and some can't handle this inequality.

 

Do you think white South Africans are indigenous to South Africa. And do you think they have the right to govern if they are?

 

again there are many white people in the SA govenment. again, it was an unjust system that was toppled. not 'white people'.

[Frank Sidney]

No, white people are descended from European Settlers. I don't think being indigenous gives people any more or less right to live or work somewhere though.

 

I presume you're clarifying who is 'a Briton' and not making a list of who you want thrown out of the country?

 

Exactly, I would concur with that. There's plenty of white people who would be thrown out if I had the power, before someone for the simple reason that they are black. Its never been to do with the racial aspect to me. Its more to do with the fact, I believe, for example, a blonde Norwegian who now lives in Nigeria could never claim to be indigenous to Nigeria.

 

I don't believe all the countries of North and South America are populated by mainly indigenous people. They're all indigenous to Europe. The same can be said for many more countries in the world.

 

I also believe that the indigenous population can evolve over time with more and more races mixing into the gene pool. This has happened to some extent in the past but not enough to change the indigenous population enough.

 

I don't really know why its such an issue, it wouldn't be for me if I was lucky enough to live in another country. I'd always feel indigenous to England and wouldn't want to be indigenous to anywhere else...

[Frank Sidney]

NO. that is the description of what 'indeginous peoples' mean in an antropological or sociological sense. that's not the same as, simply, 'indeginous'.

 

this is what indeginous means:

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/indigenous

 

http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/indigenous/

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indigenous

 

 

seems to me anyone born in any country can claim to be indeginous to it regardless of race.

 

I note in the dictionary it says "occurring naturally" well then unfortunately this disproves your point.

 

It would not be natural for a fair skinned person to occur naturally in a very hot country. The skin would not provide the natural protection from the sun as those indigenous to the hot country..

[Bassman62]

Wrong. We need more younger workers to look after our ageing population for a start.

Who says so?

[mort]

Closed for review.