gnvqsos Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I've found a video of the crash. The turn wasn't very tight and there were no other aircraft close enough to be any risk to the downed pilot. It's unlikely such an experienced aviator would crash in that manner without mechanical fault in his aeroplane. The more reports I read, the more it sounds like he risked himself to make sure his Hawk came down as safely as possible. RIP http://www.1video.com/upvideo_video.aspx?vid=o_rAoyDTSkea1xIyUmWglw&moPage=1&sr=0 I know one or two whom spring to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julado Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I've found a video of the crash. The turn wasn't very tight and there were no other aircraft close enough to be any risk to the downed pilot. It's unlikely such an experienced aviator would crash in that manner without mechanical fault in his aeroplane. The more reports I read, the more it sounds like he risked himself to make sure his Hawk came down as safely as possible. RIP http://www.1video.com/upvideo_video.aspx?vid=o_rAoyDTSkea1xIyUmWglw&moPage=1&sr=0 I saw the Red Arrows just a few weeks back in Margate...I look forward to this event every year and for this to happen is such a tragedy. There is another alternative to the mechanical fault theory....you say that the turn was tight....which pulls g-force....and also there is plenty of g and negative g force within the display itself. There are many side effects to all this g-force...the pressures on the bodies....with g-force making the blood go towards the feet and thus create a blackout....with negative g-force the blood goes into the head creating a redout....but in this case the pilot might have had a g-loc from the tight turn.....g-loss of consciousness......more often this is momentary and at high altitude a pilot can make a recovery.....however at low altitude...a couple of hundred feet or so...the second or so of g-loc can mean a fatality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I saw the Red Arrows just a few weeks back in Margate...I look forward to this event every year and for this to happen is such a tragedy. There is another alternative to the mechanical fault theory....you say that the turn was tight....which pulls g-force....and also there is plenty of g and negative g force within the display itself. There are many side effects to all this g-force...the pressures on the bodies....with g-force making the blood go towards the feet and thus create a blackout....with negative g-force the blood goes into the head creating a redout....but in this case the pilot might have had a g-loc from the tight turn.....g-loss of consciousness......more often this is momentary and at high altitude a pilot can make a recovery.....however at low altitude...a couple of hundred feet or so...the second or so of g-loc can mean a fatality. The pilot would have known his limits, he wouldn't have pushed himself beyond them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampster Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 There are many side effects to all this g-force...the pressures on the bodies....with g-force making the blood go towards the feet and thus create a blackout....with negative g-force the blood goes into the head creating a redout....but in this case the pilot might have had a g-loc from the tight turn.....g-loss of consciousness......more often this is momentary and at high altitude a pilot can make a recovery.....however at low altitude...a couple of hundred feet or so...the second or so of g-loc can mean a fatality. 'G-LOC' is a very rare occurrence these days, due to improvements in seat design, cabin pressures and 'anti-G' suits. The pilot would have to be pushing the aircraft way beyond it's standard operating limitations, which on the Hawk is pretty high IIRC is +7.5G/-4G safe limitation, and +9G for airframe overstress. So unless there was some latent medical condition, he would have had to be pulling G's in excess of these figures for sustained periods for G-LOC to be a likely factor. Viewing the video that final turn certainly looks to be an unlikely cause of such high forces. They'll know pretty quickly however if the G limits were a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Dreadful news indeed, the loss of a highly talented individual whose demise was most likely due to staying too long at the controls to take the aircraft away from habitation and not leaving enough time to eject. That is of course speculation, but very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upinwath Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Viewing the video that final turn certainly looks to be an unlikely cause of such high forces. They'll know pretty quickly however if the G limits were a factor. I think it's unlikely as at least three aircraft carried out a similar turn at the same time. A medical condition could be a factor as could mechanic fault. I'd be surprised if it was pilot error but it can't be ruled out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanl Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Was very moving on the beach yesterday as everyone came together to pay their respects...http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/jon_egging/9207833.Tribute_paid_to_Jon_Egging_on_final_day_of_Air_Festival/?ref=mr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkerSWFC Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Was very moving on the beach yesterday as everyone came together to pay their respects...http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/jon_egging/9207833.Tribute_paid_to_Jon_Egging_on_final_day_of_Air_Festival/?ref=mr Nice to see that, there a decent bunch of people down there, nice place aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibutton Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 His poor widow was so dignified and calm on TV today. Almost as if he was just around the corner. May he rest in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior8 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The Red Arrows have now been cleared to fly but reports say they may not perform at any further displays this year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14666350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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