Cyclone Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 The more it seems to be out of control the thinner peoples charity will get and then one day we will find ourselves in a situation where we are calling to turn everyone away and deport everyone Exactly how out of control is asylum at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Its silly to expect anyone to scurry back to their country once the political climate improves. England's a great country to live in and no doubt the Asylum Seekers have started a new life here. Their kids will be at school, if they have any, and they'll have homes. It'd be inhumane to then turf them out. Its a different matter though to stop bogus Asylum Seekers, that needs looking at. Problem is we have a bunch of ninneys running it and they appear to believe any **** and bull story fired at them.... We'll have to honour our obligation to those already here but make it much tougher in future, erm, but we won't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimba Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 You're right, they'd have been granted asylum and be a British citizen, there's no evidence that they wouldn't work and have a normal life, but you're saying that at some point they should suddenly be plucked out of that life and sent back to their home country. What you're saying doesn't make any practical sense.What is hard to understand ? If people have been granted citizenship then they are not asylum seekers and exempt from what the topic is about. Anyone not classed as asylum seeker are obliged to get a job and pay into the system like the rest of us are they not ? Unless you are like the others that assume that raising a topic about immigration/asylum automatically puts you in a certain bracket of person ? In which case your one of the reasons why we can't have a practical debate about it in this country, nothing will get solved and the divide will grow wider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimba Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Exactly how out of control is asylum at the moment?Asylum that is being abused is always out of control. The people that come here and don't get it just sneak in anyhow or don't leave, we can't keep track and end up letting everyone stay just because we have not kept a grip and can't regain the initiative. So why would it be so difficult to say that all those that can go back should ? If the grounds of your request are no longer valid then we should be obliged to re look at the granting of the asylum status, its not difficult and its a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe-b-1 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 And given that many of these people will probably start families whilst in asylum here what do you suggest is done with their children? They will be British citizens of course. If you're answer is to deport them, I suggest we look back through your family tree and then deport you and the rest of the population... Or will there be some other distinction that means that we shouldn't apply it to you or people like you and me? Should they start families then that would be up to the authorities to decide whether or not they had broken the terms and conditions of their asylum. I have not started any personal attacks on you so please don't start on me or come up with stupid arguments about the deporting the whole population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimba Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Its silly to expect anyone to scurry back to their country once the political climate improves. England's a great country to live in and no doubt the Asylum Seekers have started a new life here. Their kids will be at school, if they have any, and they'll have homes. It'd be inhumane to then turf them out. Its a different matter though to stop bogus Asylum Seekers, that needs looking at. Problem is we have a bunch of ninneys running it and they appear to believe any **** and bull story fired at them.... We'll have to honour our obligation to those already here but make it much tougher in future, erm, but we won't.... Having a better infrastructure to support people should most defiantly not be what its about but it all to often boils down to that. Once the threat to life or what ever constitutes warranting asylum is removed then they cannot in effect be in need of asylum, its pretty basic for us all to grasp but Im sure we won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Having a better infrastructure to support people should most defiantly not be what its about but it all to often boils down to that. Once the threat to life or what ever constitutes warranting asylum is removed then they cannot in effect be in need of asylum, its pretty basic for us all to grasp but Im sure we won't. What sort of time scale though. What if someone's been here 10 yrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe-b-1 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Do you think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees There are 147 signatory members. I count approximately 7 countries according tot he map on the right that are not members, and half of those are likely to be places that people are fleeing from! Yes but not many of them (if any) are as easy to get into and stay in as the UK. The 7 is incorrect as there are over 190 countries in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Will Col Gadaffis soldiers and supporters be allowed asylum here if the rebels take control of the country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Another important factor to consider is that pro Gadaffi people may now be seeking asylum here. If anti Gadaffi people stay and pro Gadaffi people arrive it is a recipe for trouble here. so what do you suggest we do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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