Police shootings - Jean-Claude de Menezes

[Mattyhill]

What utter rubbish. They knew where he lived but let him leave his flat and get on a bus. Having let him get on the bus they then let him get off the bus at Brixton and then get back on it because Brixton station was shut. They then let him get off the bus again, enter the tube station at Stockwell, go through the barriers, go down the escalator and sit on the tube. They could have intercepted him at any point but waited till he was in the position when he could have done most damage if he'd been a terrorist. But he wasn't.

 

He didn't run when challenged because he was never challenged. There was no police-Menezes contact till he got on the tube. The coppers lied because that's what coppers so when their liberty and careers are on the line. They lied after Hillsborough. And they lied after the Menezes shooting. They even lied at the inquest. Their testimonies were contradicted by witnesses. That's because that's what coppers do. They've fitted up loads of innocent people down the years. And shot some others.

 

As for "they aren’t going to shoot someone on a hunch" that's exactly what it was. After all he was going to work, wasn't Muslim and wasn't a terrorist so it had to be a hunch, a hunch that turned out to be wrong.

 

Yes the police do make incorrect decisions sometimes they are only human ... and then yes some probably do try to cover there back when they do make the incorrect decision, just like most people do seem to do these days. But the police make a lot more correct decisions than incorrect. have you never made a wrong decision in your life ?

[Cyclone]

It was a lot more than that ……… they aren’t going to shoot someone on a hunch ……… the property was staked, he fitted the description, backpack, tube, ran when challenged ………. All the pieces where there to leave the officer on the spot with no alternative.

 

How many of the things you listed are simply not true.

 

I think you should go and find out, because it's greater than zero.

[Cyclone]

Let's take the lies apart again shall we...

 

the police said he aborted a run and doubled back onto the bus - the first tube station was closed so he caught the bus to the second one.

 

The police said he was wearing a bulky jacket - except that he wasn't actually and witnesses and the post crime scene and CCTV showed that...

 

The police said he was running.. - despite the fact that CCTV showed he walked.

 

And then the police say he jumped the barrier - except he didn't as witnesses and CCTV showed.

 

After that he ran down the escalator said the police - but those pesky CCTV and witnesses say otherwise.

 

Finally, after entering the train sedately he sat down and then was held down and shot in the head seven times. He wasn't challenged, although the police say he was and despite holding him down they manage to miss his head with four shots. From point blank range, a third of the shots missed.

 

Afterwards the police said that they didn't lie. I say that was just the final end lie of the whole sorry charade.

 

De Menezes was executed by the Met. for the "crime" of being Brazilian.

 

That about covers it all I think, except for the officer on the stake out who'd left his position, and the complete failure to anticipate that radio's don't work underground.

[*Wallace*]

What should they have done …………. “excuse me sir are you a terrorist” …….. I think its called the fog of war.

 

And if it had been one of your grand kids you would still feel the same ?

[Phanerothyme]

Yes the police do make incorrect decisions sometimes they are only human ... and then yes some probably do try to cover there back when they do make the incorrect decision, just like most people do seem to do these days. But the police make a lot more correct decisions than incorrect. have you never made a wrong decision in your life ?

 

One wrong decision, on its own, can be catastrophic, but understandable.

 

A long series of wrong decisions, very wrong decisions indeed, coupled with a long chain of lies to escape responsibility for those decisions is not understandable, or excusable.

[Cyclone]

At the very least they should have been brought to task for the attempted cover up.

[Mattyhill]

One wrong decision, on its own, can be catastrophic, but understandable.

 

A long series of wrong decisions, very wrong decisions indeed, coupled with a long chain of lies to escape responsibility for those decisions is not understandable, or excusable.

 

Was it really a long serious of wrong decisions though, they was following someone who they expected to be a suicide bomber, and had a decision to shoot or not to shoot.

[Cyclone]

Yes, it was a series of wrong decision spanning about 20 or 30 minutes, followed by that decision, and then followed by days and weeks of lies.

[ronthenekred]

have you never made a wrong decision in your life ?

 

 

We all make mistakes, we tend not to fill someone with lead as one of those mistakes and follow it with a litany of lies..

 

A bit like this thread you've created. Read facts then post threads, otherwise you'll get a roasting from those who do read the facts.

[Obelix]

Was it really a long serious of wrong decisions though, they was following someone who they expected to be a suicide bomber, and had a decision to shoot or not to shoot.

 

Read my post above - they made about eight wrong decisions, one after the other. If any of them had been made correctly we would not even know there was a police operation that day because de Menezes would still be alive.

 

The problem is they did what you did - they went in with the "suspected suicide bomber" in mind, and that changed slowly, as they panicked and as control was lost from being "suspected" to "following a suicide bomber on his final bomb run" to "shoot the little "£$*"£% now before he blows up"

 

Then they lied to cover it up. That makes a dreadful mistake - and at that point it was still tragic, horrific and wrong from an excusable event where "lessons must be learnt" into what was an abhorrently inexcusable coverup of grotesque proportions.